June 24th, 2017
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What did You Think of World Enough And Time?
Now that the Eleventh episode of series 10 has been aired what did you think? Was it everything you had hoped for or not what you expected.
Friendship drives the Doctor into the rashest decision of his life. Trapped on a giant spaceship, caught in the event horizon of a black hole, he witnesses the death of someone he is pledged to protect. Is there any way he can redeem his mistake? Are events already out of control?
For once, time is the Time Lord’s enemy…
Doctor Who Series 10 Parts 1 and 2 Blu-ray / DVD
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Peter Capaldi returns as Doctor Who for twelve thrilling adventures. He is joined by new companion, Bill (played by Pearl Mackie), along with returning loveable alien, Nardole (played by Matt Lucas).
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pats86
June 27th, 2017 - 3:24pmI see, thank you.
booboo
June 27th, 2017 - 12:35pmits there now, there is part word being used that’s blocking some comments
Pats86
June 27th, 2017 - 12:14pmWatched three times now and I’ve only just picked up on something, when the Doctor and Bill are discussing the Doctor and the Master being friends long ago Bill asks if the Time Lords are OK with the man/woman thing and the Doctor says the “Time Lords are billions of years beyond your petty human obsession with gender and associated types” (or as near as)
Now this can not be the case because in Hell Bent when the general regenerates into a female she is quiet sexist with her coments about “all that ego” and “being back to normal” as if being a male was unwelcome? So they clearly have not gone beyond petty obsession with gender at all! Typical Moffat, plot holes everywhere.
The Temporal Jelly Baby
June 27th, 2017 - 12:45pmThe line you referenced was followed by Bill saying “But you still call yourself Time Lords?” and the Doctor replying with “Yeah, shut up”.
The Temporal Jelly Baby
June 27th, 2017 - 12:46pmSo I don’t think it’s a plot hole.
The Temporal Jelly Baby
June 27th, 2017 - 12:50pmAnd for someone who’s beyond the petty human obsession with gender, the Doctor sure does like to have female companions. 🙂
pats86
June 27th, 2017 - 3:24pmThat`s true, but I still think it is a plot hole.
The Outcast
June 29th, 2017 - 3:33pmI really like the idea of Timelords being above gender and all that, but I think pats86 is probably right that the Timelords (with all their “Great power” which they haven’t had since “The War Games”) really aren’t above petty gender such and such.
Have I ever mentioned how cool the Timelords in their first appearance? They can make force fields and materialise people WITH THERE MINDS!!! If only the show actually tried to make the Timelords great again.
RORY DOCTOR RIVER POND
June 26th, 2017 - 10:43pmPLEASE let this week be good
death in heaven was not that great
Anonymous
June 30th, 2017 - 1:13amDon’t get your hopes up
RORY DOCTOR RIVER POND
June 26th, 2017 - 10:42pmoh my god
best episode of the season
Exterminator
June 26th, 2017 - 6:31pmWow, that episode was just amazing. Poor Bill, I actually had tears in my eyes, I hope they leave her as a cyberman as ‘conversion is permanent!’ I loved the darkness of this episode and I’m so glad they got the cyberman voice right and the mouth wasn’t moving, so creepy.
I had no idea that Mr Razor was the Master until he started talking to Missy so that was a great surprise.
I hope we find out next week more about the mad surgeon performing the conversions, he is technically the creator of the Cybermen, unless of course it was the Master all along telling him what to do.
Peter Capaldi and Michelle Gomez are just perfect together, I’m really going to miss them.
Amazing special effects. 10/10 from me.
Tyler Prescott
June 29th, 2017 - 6:36pmI completely agree, but the reveals of the Master and the Cybermen would’ve been better had they kept that secret in trailers and stuff.
It’s more a marketing problem than the actual episode’s, but they managed it with Missy’s reveal as the Master, which is why it was so much more powerful. Had we not been looking out for John Simm throughout the episode, fewer people would have recognised Razor.
Exterminator
June 29th, 2017 - 11:55pmSadly, the mondasian cybermen returning was leaked on social media whilst the episode was being filmed on location by spectators with cameras. Therefore the BBC had no choice but to make it official.
I feel there’s absolutely no reason why they couldn’t have kept John Simm returning as a surprise. No more spoilers please!
prototype dalek
June 25th, 2017 - 9:13pmBy the way booboo, how come the poll doesn’t come up with number of votes like previous ones?
Tim M
June 25th, 2017 - 8:53pmI do sincerely hope the second episode is as good as this one in its own way. It is so far shaping up to be my favourite Capaldi story. So far my favourite is ‘The Magician’s Apprentice/The Witch’s Familiar’, but it’s looking like it might get nudged off the top spot. Depending how good ‘The Doctor Falls’ is of course. No doubt when the episode starts it won’t pick up straight from the cliffhanger, and begin ‘6 months later’ or something. That would be typical Moffat.
Doctor Stu
June 25th, 2017 - 5:17pmAll the time that razor (or whatever the masters disguise was) was on the screen I kept thinking to myself I know that voice and it kept bugging me to the point that I was going to google what actor played that character but I watched the episode at 11pm last night so googling doctor who would have been a stupid idea as I would have been flooded with spoilers so I decided not to and I only twigged when he was talking to Missy near the end and I let out a little shout.
Tim M
June 25th, 2017 - 3:55pmThe overnight viewing figures are in, and it’s only 3.37 million. Across the channels last night, ratings were low. I do expect Doctor Who to do really well on catch-up TV. I’ve already watched ‘World Enough and Time’ three times. Twice on I-Player. Only episode I’ve watched more than twice during series 10. So it must be good.
Techruyc
June 25th, 2017 - 7:52pmIts better to check in a few weeks on the barb website. You normally find that against other programmes on the same night Dr Who does ok really.
Anonymous
June 26th, 2017 - 6:25pmDo people still look at over night figures, they are about as useful as a hog roast at a vegan convention.
r1ch1e
June 26th, 2017 - 7:16pmLOL!
Doctor Stu
June 25th, 2017 - 2:43pmWas anybody else just happy to hear the masters voice again, he seems to have slipped back into the role so easily it’s as if he never left
pats86
June 25th, 2017 - 4:30pmAgreed
The Doctor Will See You Now
June 25th, 2017 - 1:47pmDoes anyone else think the scene at the beginning of the episode with the Doctor stumbling out of the TARDIS about to regenerate will be a scene from the Christmas Special? It would make sense, considering that Peter Capaldi’s hair is longer than ever in that particular scene, which would indicate time has passed since The Doctor Falls, and also it’s snowing in that scene, giving it a Christmasy feel.
Tim M
June 25th, 2017 - 3:48pmYes, and it looks like it might link into ‘The Tenth Planet’. It could well be the South Pole in 1986 where the Tardis lands.
Anonymous
June 29th, 2017 - 6:27amMaybe or maybe at the end of episode 12 he regenerates there and you see a prelude to the Christmas special
Random Critic
June 25th, 2017 - 12:51pmGreat, an episode with more than just a light sprinkling of sci-fi.
The story involving Bill felt a bit padded out, and the idea that she’d survive such a fatal injury was quite a stretch. On the bright side, she does make a pretty good Cyberman. Apart from the lack of a large fog-light on her head, what’s there to complain about? The Cybermen have always been equal opportunity upgraders – oh, the ironies. Lol!
Rather than using weird crying physics at the end, which I found quite comedic, surely she should feel honoured being part of that elite group of cybernetic pioneers. I look forward to seeing more of Billocutus in that old-school Cyberman get-up. John Simm and Michelle Gomez in top form as usual.
Obsie
June 25th, 2017 - 12:49pmPre credits scene, I imagine I’m not alone in wondering if The Doctor has gone back to Mondas and the time of his first incarnation somehow, who himself is not long away from his first regeneration. With lots of talk of David Bradley perhaps appearing taking the role again. However, I can’t work out how that scenario will tie in with Capalidi’s departure.
Doctor Stu
June 25th, 2017 - 1:37pmMaybe all the cybermen are defeated apart from the mondas cybermen and the Mondas cybermen from this episode turn out to be the same Mondas cybermen from the tenth planet and the Doctor pops off to see his first incarnation to tell him that there are cybermen approaching and he must do what he needs to – to defeat them. So that the next episode goes full circle right back to the tenth planet if that made any sense
Obsie
June 25th, 2017 - 3:43pmI makes perfect sense because the opening scene struck a chord so much of The Tenth Planet, so technically either the 1st Doctor’s TARDIS is around somewhere or is about to land, with temporal and space co-ordinates all laid in with Capaldi’s TARDIS it’s brought him to meet his 1st incarnation. After all The Master did remark to Missy he was a little bit worried about his own future, so intervention and interaction with other selves appears to be going on all round, same thing happened in The Two Doctors. Whatever, I can barely wait till next week.
Alex Who?
June 25th, 2017 - 12:34pmGreat Episode. Really excelled at showing the horror of becoming a Cyberman and 2 Masters!
Hope The Doctor Falls is a good conclusion.
Anonymous
June 29th, 2017 - 6:33amAre you kidding it will be! An hour and 2 evil time lords.
The Outcast
June 29th, 2017 - 9:04amThe last time people said something like that, we got Hell Bent. Be cautious.
Nigel M
June 25th, 2017 - 11:20amI wonder if we’ll get an explanation as to why Missy doesn’t remember that she’d been on the ship before ?
Andy
June 25th, 2017 - 12:10pmwell the doctors don’t remember when they meet other incarnations. I can’t remember the exact reason why but it has been said already
Obsie
June 25th, 2017 - 3:48pmI think it was explained at the end of The Day of the Doctor when the War Doctor said he wouldn’t remember anything of the events, the 11th Doctor remarked he couldn’t keep the memories as they were out of sync and it wasn’t allowed.
When The Doctor Was Me
June 25th, 2017 - 11:06amAll i’ve ever wanted is a Cyberman story to have vibes of the empty child/the doctor dances. This certainly delivered! Was not keen on the idea of the mondasian cybermen coming back because i thought they would look out of place in the show as it looks today. But they did them so well! Creepy faceless half converted! I loved the scene when we saw different stages of the conversion. And then Bill as the first Cyberman was chilling and heartbreaking. I have to say Moffat you have nailed this one. Just please please please don’t cop out and save Bill! Leave it as it is! Please!
Only downfall to the episode was we knew to much. If only we never knew John Simm was back it would have made for an amazing shocker!
Anonymous
June 25th, 2017 - 10:35amRose: Trapped in a parallel universe
Martha: Left the Doctor
Donna: Memory wiped
Amy/Rory: Trapped in the past
Clara: Immortal Time Traveller
Bill: Cyberman
eluma narty
June 27th, 2017 - 1:46pmTechnically, Amy and Rory both passed on as in the graveyard where they were zapped, the headstone reads that they are both dead as of 2012 if i remember correctly. Rory died age 82 & Amy 87.
Doctor no more
June 25th, 2017 - 9:24amEnjoyed this one, possibly the only episode I have enjoyed featuring the 12 th dr as I’ve not taken to him at all.there has been too many snippets of him regenerating that will spoil it when he does! .where was the cyberman music? Let’s just hope John simm returns in the next series. I also guessed it could be him in disguise.
Neal T.
June 25th, 2017 - 8:19amSo what about Missy saving Bill by using the last of her regenerative energy? Redemption for Missy and Bill saved? Thoughts anyone?
Tim M
June 25th, 2017 - 8:14amHopefully Chris Chibnall manages to keep his spoilers close to his chest. Because it clearly wasn’t a good idea to show John Simm’s Master coming back in the series trailer. The Mondasian Cybermen coming back could have been kept more secret too. However, I think knowing those Cybermen were coming back in the finale wasn’t that bad a spoiler. The biggest surprise was going to be John Simm’s Master anyway. Clearly Moffat was so excited about John Simm returning, that he couldn’t contain his excitement. They did better in series 9 keeping secrets.
The Outcast
June 25th, 2017 - 9:34amI don’t think the reveal of the Mondasians could have kept secret, but I do think John Simm’s reveal could have been save. The BBC could have hyped up a 10th Doctor era villain, but not specified which, then people would have assumed it was the 2006 Cybermen, only to find out it was actually the Master.
Anonymous
June 25th, 2017 - 10:22amYou can blame ‘The Sun’ for that
booboo
June 25th, 2017 - 10:31amDon’t understand why the BBC put him in the series 10 preview to be honest , it would have leaked out from someone
Tim M
June 25th, 2017 - 4:00pmI agree booboo. In my opinion, revealing the return of John Simm in the trailer wasn’t needed, and ultimately spoiled his actual return. It lacked the impact it really deserved.
Anonymous
June 26th, 2017 - 2:48pmBut it would have been leaked anyway…so I understand why the BBC did it. Firstly, they control the leaks. Secondly, those who do like to leak stuff, stop trying and don’t ruin anything more (for example, had it not been announced by the BBC, those who leaked it would have gone further and actually leaked the whole disguise thing and/or plot line…but as the main surprise is already out there, they lose interest and move on). Thirdly, its been used as a promotion for the series to keep people tuned in rather than dip in and out.
I think this is the way it will be done now. Start Wars announced the return of the old cast in way before The Force Awakens was released…this meant they were in control and it stopped people leaking further stuff about the plot and …ahem…that thing that happened to Han.
Can’t blame the BBC, blame the people who force them to play their hand early.
The Doctor Will See You Now
June 25th, 2017 - 6:57am“And I wouldn’t miss it for the world, even if it kills me.”
This is looking more likely then ever, but I’ll even put up with the overused “reset button” to keep Bill alive. I really like her and don’t want to see her go!
I really liked the tear effect they did for the Bill cyberman, I’ll be really happy if it ends up with Bill being the reason the cybermen have the tears in the corner of their eyes.
For me, the special effects in this episode seemed really good for Doctor Who, particularly the shot near the start which shows the black hole and the space ship from the outside.
Overall, this is my ranking of the Season 10 episodes:
#1 World Enough and Time
#2 Extremis
#3 The Lie of the Land
#4 The Pilot
#5 Oxygen
#6 The Pyramid at the End of the World
#7 Knock Knock
#8 The Empress of Mars
#9 Thin Ice
#10 Smile
#11 The Eaters of Light
RUN YOU CLEVER BOY
June 25th, 2017 - 3:35amI am in denial about bill brilliant episode very dark and an exit like that for a companion is so brutal she did not even finish uni But in the tv trailer for the doctor falls you hear her voice. She looked human under the helmet maybe her face is fine just not the rest. But I think she will leave whatever happens , too much denial
The Outcast
June 25th, 2017 - 2:42amI really enjoyed this story. It doesn’t seem to retcon Spare Parts but still provides some sort of Genesis of the Cybermen for the Telly box. The stuff on conversion was a bit creepy, especially the half converted Cybermen. As for Bills conversion, sadly many people predicted it, but it’s still a strong companion exit regardless. The only thing I can think of that could have been done better is the amount of information they revealed before hand, but I understand that couldn’t have been helped.
whovian
June 25th, 2017 - 1:31amMy scores for the OCD among us that also class the original titles as canon
A Star in Her Eye/The Pilot – 6/10.
Smile – 8.5/10.
Thin Ice – 7.5/10.
The Haunted Hub/Knock Knock – 4.5/10.
Oxygen – 7.5/10.
Extremis – 6/10.
The Pyramid at the End of the World – 6/10.
The Lie of the Land – 4/10.
The Empress of Mars – 8.5/10.
The Eaters of Light – 2.5/10.
Genesis of the Cybermen/ World Enough and Time – 12/10 (apart from Bill’s fate).
The Doctor Falls – TBC. Got you there didnt it.
Getty29
June 25th, 2017 - 1:24amAbsolutely fantastic. The best episode of the series by a country mile (which is saying a lot as the quality this series has been fantastic), and there is a definite possibility that it may actually be the best episode of New Who. I only wish that we hadn’t known about John Simm returning, as I figured it was him relatively early in the episode which ruined the reveal a little bit, if I hadn’t known it was him that would have absolutely been the best moment of New Who. None of that takes away from the fact that the episode was fantastic, here’s hoping next week continues in that vein!
Tim M
June 25th, 2017 - 12:52amMoffat still can’t write a story with a beginning, middle and end. Or at the very least in that order. Although I honestly found that type of story telling worked at it’s best in this story, even if it did still take the dramatic pace out of some scenes. I’m often critical of this type of backwards and forwards story telling. Only because it often becomes a disjointed set of scenes, that actually damage the flow of a story.
Doctor Stu
June 25th, 2017 - 12:25amOmg I loved it edge of my seat from start to finish, I waited until about 11pm to watch it so it was dark and it was soooo creepy. I love the new mondas cybermen voice it’s so unsettling and the way we saw the gradual upgrade step by step and then the eventual finished product was brilliant. Having the Mondas design would look out of place as it’s so stripped back to what we’re used to in cybermen so to see the gradual stages of the upgrade I.e, faces with cloths and then the mouth pieces and eye holes and then the full mondas suit with new voice worked amazingly and just looked so appropriate in the episode. Again like everybody else, Simm reveal was ruined but to be fair I only really twigged where it was going when he started to talk to Missy at the console near the end of the episode. Bills eye behind the cloth at the end was so pleasantly dark seeing as we were told earlier in the ep that they feel pain constantly but it does raise the question of ‘could the doctor just whip the cloth off her head and heal her with a bit of sonic trickery or regenerative energy next episode. I haven’t been this impressed by an episode since maybe ‘day of the moon’. I will definitely rewatch this episode in the future. And no offense but please Bill stay dead, I’m assuming we’re going to dive into her subconscious where she’ll be talking to her mom and her love will unconvert everyone and save the day but regardless of that at least we can say the first half of the finale was good
Anonymous
June 24th, 2017 - 11:29pmThe pre-credits regeneration scene. Could it possibly have been set at the South Pole in 1986?!
The Moffat Paradox
June 25th, 2017 - 12:00amThat’s a point.
Tim M
June 25th, 2017 - 12:01amI was thinking the same. Plus, hasn’t it been rumoured that David Bradley may be reprising his role as the 1st Doctor. I have wondered whilst watching ‘The Tenth Planet’ how the 1st Doctor knows and expects the planet Mondas arrival in 1986. Obviously with the 12th Doctor being there for the genesis of the Mondasian Cybermen, he goes back in his own time stream and tells the 1st Doctor Mondas is coming. He also reminds him to save Gallifrey during the time war, along with his other future incarnations…
The Moffat Paradox
June 25th, 2017 - 12:47amLogical.
Fernandozer
June 25th, 2017 - 8:48amthe first doctor is missing for the 3rd episode of the tenth planet so if they were going down the route of David Bradley maybe this could be happening during episode 3.
The Moffat Paradox
June 24th, 2017 - 10:41pmBuild up to a hopefully superlative finale. But so many questions still raging; eg if this precedes the 10th Planet then how do we deal with the presence in part 2 of the latest cyber models unless it’s the John Simm Master influence?
Do we get any explanation of how in the changed” Time Of The Doctor “timeline he escaped Gallifrey after the reset of “The End Of Time” or then experienced a different reality before regenerating into Missy? It would also seem like Missy is going to seemingly side with her previous incarnation and then back to the Doctor again.
The Moffat Paradox
June 25th, 2017 - 12:23amAnd now it looks like on newer trailers the three of them end up comrades in arms. The Masters motives like Missy’s are all over the place.