October 25th, 2014
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The Final Begins Doctor Dark Water New Trailer
In the mysterious world of the Nethersphere, plans have been drawn up.
Missy is about to come face to face with the Doctor, and an impossible choice is looming.
“Death is not an end” promises the sinister organisation known only as 3W – but, as the Doctor and Clara discover, you might wish it was.
Written by Steven Moffat
Directed by Rachel Talalay
Guest stars Michele Gomez and Chris Addison
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Ian
October 26th, 2014 - 7:38amNo such thing as Clara Oswald…….
My prayers have been answered.
RORY DOCTOR RIVER POND
October 26th, 2014 - 8:19amno! I like Clara!
DalekAgent
October 26th, 2014 - 6:42amCould Missy be some sort of devil who has escaped hell and gone into heaven
Dalek Supreme
October 26th, 2014 - 9:19amMaybe, but probably too heavy on the religious side for Dr. Who
Wapa
October 28th, 2014 - 4:24pmMabye Clara was angry with the doctor and decided to erase him from history?
Cyber10Dalek
October 25th, 2014 - 11:48pmThis trailer is providing me with nothing but hype and excitement for this episode! Why is Clara suddenly acting like a villain and claiming she has never existed and the Doctor will never enter his TARDIS again? Where are she and the Doctor at the beginning (looks like hell) ? Why are the Doctor,Kate,Osgood(and what look to be UNIT soldiers) in an aeroplane? What are the Cybermen planning and why does Clara seem to not be bothered by them? And most importantly,who really is Missy and what connection does she have to the Doctor and Clara? Looks like this ep will have to do a good job of answering all these questions! Please reply and give your thoughts and theories
TheExtremeBlueTARDIS
October 25th, 2014 - 11:02pmI’m really excited for the finale now. Though when people post theories I never bother reading them anymore, they are the same old stuff.
I’m just going to assume Clara and Missy somehow know each other or are related in some sort of way.
Simon w
October 26th, 2014 - 12:56amI know I have had the new issue of the DWM and im now going to try and read it till after the last wpisode has been show it has some spolers in it(sorry for spelling have dyslexia)
The Doctor Wolf
October 25th, 2014 - 10:48pmI see some people have had the same idea as me (or stole mine XD), that Clara is in fact Missy in disguise/some form of Missy…
Can’t wait for this ep, hopefully a fittingly fantastic end to one of, if not the, best series since the revival…
CJ
October 25th, 2014 - 10:50pm…Or could be working along side Missy the whole time
dave d
October 26th, 2014 - 12:05amDon’t worry wolf doctor, you’re ideas are safe, no-one is gonna be stealing them 😉
the astronaut of death
October 25th, 2014 - 10:31pmTHEORY
what if missy is basically making an army against the doctor and all the army are the people who have died and gone to heaven
and in the future Clara dies and goes to heaven and some how she turns evil and becomes part of the army so the Clara we saw in the trailer was just the evil heaven Clara and missy is the master
The Doctor
October 25th, 2014 - 10:18pmBecasue Missy Says You Know Who I Am That And Clara Says That Clara Oswald Has Never Existed, Maybe That Means That Clara Is Missy?!!?
Leave Your Thoughts And Feedback Below.
Thanks Again, The Doctor.
CJ
October 25th, 2014 - 10:25pmNaaahhh, I think Clara has been working along side Missy the whole time
the astronaut of death
October 25th, 2014 - 10:28pmyes but remember this clara is n the Christmas special
so if the doctor found out clara was working against him do you think she would carry on traveling with him
CJ
October 25th, 2014 - 10:40pmYou never know…
CJ
October 25th, 2014 - 10:44pmShe could be actually sorry for what shes done to the Doctor and leave because it was rumoured she would leave at Christmas…
CJ
October 25th, 2014 - 10:46pmThe New Companion for Series 9 could be that Woman who wanted to travel with the Doctor from Into the Dalek
The Doctor
October 29th, 2014 - 11:05amWhat About River?
1)They Always Meet Up In The Wrong Order.
2)Missy Did Say In Deep Breath “I Love Him”. This Was About The Doctor And River Did Kinda Get Married To The Doctor.
3)Because They Were Married, Both The Doctor And Missy Are Wearing Rings. These Could Be Marrige Rings To Show Their Relationship With Each Other.
It Is A Possiblity, But Again You Never Know Who It Could Be. I Guess We’ll Have To Wait And Find Out.
Who The Hell Is Missy Afterall?
Doctor 909
October 25th, 2014 - 10:13pmI don’t know why, but as soon as I saw this trailer I started thinking: Clara maybe the Black Gaurdian and Missy has been like a “boss”? But I think it maybe wrong.
I really hope this doesn’t kill the end of a brilliant series. If this wrecks the last 2 years of Doctor Who, I think I might end up killing Moffat!
It’s nice to see Kate and Oswin back, but I really can’t see how this is going to go. I think the trailer went to quick with too blander content, but that maybe a good thing so far the plot haven’t been given away. I really hope Moffat pulls it out the bag and makes this the best series since the revival.
StetsonDoctor
October 25th, 2014 - 10:10pmI’ll say now that I think Missy is Clara. Either that or the Master.
On other note, I’m really looking forward to a good ol’ cliffhanger at the end of next week!
Trenzalore
October 25th, 2014 - 9:39pmId find it hard to believe Clara ‘never existed’ and she was evil the whole time – nobody’s that good an actor, keeping it up pretty much 24/7.
CJ
October 25th, 2014 - 9:48pmWell the Doctor says in Dark Water “You betrayed me. You betrayed my trust, our friendship, and everything I’ve ever stood for. You let me down.” possibly talking to Clara…
Jammy2305
October 25th, 2014 - 9:59pmCJ, where did you get that from??
CJ
October 25th, 2014 - 10:03pmTheres a website called clivebanks.co.uk
Dalekparadigm2
October 25th, 2014 - 10:38pmWell, I watched Marvel’s agents of shield and that was pretty much based around one of the main characters being evil but having a good persona 24/7 so maybe Moffat has ripped that idea off (wouldn’t be the first time)
the astronaut of death
October 25th, 2014 - 11:06pmInteresting
CJ
October 25th, 2014 - 11:13pmI’m too a fan of Agents of Shield so it wouldn’t surprise if he has
Still Not Ginger
October 25th, 2014 - 9:23pmSo is this trailer both for Dark Water and Death In Heaven or just for Dark Water?
CJ
October 25th, 2014 - 9:42pmJust for Dark Water
The Doctor
October 29th, 2014 - 11:07amI Think It’s For Both. This Is Becasue Before It Begins, It Says “The Finale Has Begun”.
RORY DOCTOR RIVER POND
October 25th, 2014 - 9:16pmim worried for clara, i hope its not a case of not existing as it will undo the past several years.
i hope this is good, as episode 10 was terrible
the astronaut of death
October 25th, 2014 - 9:15pmI relay think clara is the master!
CJ
October 25th, 2014 - 9:20pmDoubt it, but I think shes going to betray the Doctor and turn to be working along side Missy…
The–Doctor–is–BACK
October 23rd, 2014 - 9:13pmThis is super exciting news for me!!! I have been thinking about this whole “promised land” thingy and… WHO IS THAT “HUSBAND SHE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FIRST EPISODE SHE APPEARED IN!!!!!! UGH. I really cant wait two weeks for this. My theory is that her “husband” is either the doctor, but he’s already married to river song… So that cant work out. But can it???? I also think that missy is linked to the gallifrey or the time lords. Also, i think 3W stands for 3 worlds, as in the nethesphere baing at the same time heaven, and hell, and the promised land…. Also i hope she doesnt kill clara or take her cause remember what she said in episode 9…… And i also think that everyone in the nethesphere/ promised land will die….
Kiek
October 25th, 2014 - 9:32pmBoyfriend, not husband
dave d
October 26th, 2014 - 12:10amThe doctor is an atheist in a godless universe… No heaven, no hell dude
paddy
October 27th, 2014 - 11:28amThe Doctor has never claimed to be an atheist- the second doctor strongly suggests he isn’t in The Three Doctors
Anonymous
October 23rd, 2014 - 4:18pmHas anyone forgotten that the 3W was the spaceship the cybermen use in the wheel in space. Only episodes 3 and 6 survive but are on the lost in time boxset
Jammy2305
October 25th, 2014 - 1:34pmI knew I’d heard 3W in reference to The Wheel, but couldn’t remember what it was! Thank you! This just further backs up my theory that Missy is in league with the Cybermen…
Doctor Simeon
October 25th, 2014 - 9:46pmI can’t find any reference to it in Wheel, when about in the story does it get mentioned?
Shadow Proclamation
November 1st, 2014 - 5:49pmActually, it was called the W3, not the 3W. The 3W is supposed to be an organization, and W3 was a space station. That could still be a good theory though, both possibly having connection to th Cyberman (we know W3 did, but we aren’t sure about 3W, but both episodes include Cybermen)…
simon w
October 21st, 2014 - 12:48pmMy theory is that Missy is the femail version of the Doctor, as we know thay he could regenerate into a woman and this is it from a future where he is a woman. Like in the story Curse of the Fatal Death. A Steven Moffat story he did years ago.
The Moffat Pardox
October 19th, 2014 - 11:49pmI’ve read as I’m sure others have about the idea of the so called “physics of immortality” according to which nothing thats alive or not can just “die” or be destroyed because if the universe is a closed system energy can neither be created or destroyed:it just changes it’s form.
So unless something like this is at work as a plot device how does this idea of a “Nethersphere/Promised Land/Paradise” which seems to be more akin to ideas of the supernatural,faith and religion fit with what is still supposed to be science fiction?
Which Is my only lingering worry about a series with the new custodian of the Tardis that I have largely enjoyed.
icdoctor
October 19th, 2014 - 7:01pmhas anyone thought that missy might be the black guardian ??
Doctorwhorules1234
October 19th, 2014 - 7:55pmYes
dave d
October 26th, 2014 - 12:13amOr the pink one
WouldYoulikeAJellyBaby?
October 19th, 2014 - 6:29pmHere’s my Theory, I think that alll the people we’ve seen Die, the Half-Face Man, the soldier from Into The Dalek and the Policeman from The Caretaker who’ve died and gone to Heaven/ The Promised Land have been Upgraded into Cybermen and have managed to find a way from the Nethersphere to Earth. The reason I say about the dead people being converted into Cybermen is because in the synopsis it says that “Death is not an end, promises the organization known as 3W,” which leads me to believe that the Half-Face Man and others have been offered a second chance in Heaven as Cybermen, suggesting a plot twist which could in fact see Heaven is actually Hell.
yognot
October 20th, 2014 - 4:03pmOh man that would make perfect sense.
The Temporal Jelly Baby
October 21st, 2014 - 5:58pmThis is the best theory I have seen so far.
The five doctors
October 22nd, 2014 - 10:08pmExcellent theory
Drwho101
October 23rd, 2014 - 8:56pmMaybe heaven is actually the World Wide Web(3w) in the far future which like the church(papal mainframe) in matts era,the World Wide Web has spread from earth all across the entire universe and is now being used to save the dead into virtual realities and they’re about to be converted into Cybermen because that’s the reason why the World Wide Web of the future saves the dead,I’d also like to think that clara is the key to bringing missy and the Cybermen to earth and she’ll have to die to save earth from the Cybermen who maybe immortal since they’re dead souls and I’d also like to think missy is a future villian and maybe wants these Cybermen for something even bigger
dave d
October 26th, 2014 - 12:15am@ yognot – wow dude, u have a low sense threshold mate. Heaven and hell?????? Makes sense????? Okay… Backs slowly out the room….
TheBoneless
October 19th, 2014 - 9:31amHas everyone forgotten all the filming pics with the Gallifreyian Tombstones? And the Graveyard with a Baby Cherub and the Clara Oswin Oswald Tombstone, and the Amy/Rory Tombstone? My Theory is:
Missy is the Dream Lord, who has found it her role to find Gallifrey, seeing as the Doctor has forgotten. She has created the Promised Land to collect people who died in the Doctor’s adventures, to keep an eye on him. She can see through the people who are going to die. That’s how she knew of Capaldi’s accent at the end of Deep Breath, she saw through the Half-Face Man’s eyes, and how she knew of Clara, she’s seen Clara through all the people who have died since Time of the Doctor. She originated when the Doctor regenerated, when he thought he was dying, the Dream Lord part split from him, resulting in him having the quick regeneration, as it left his body. Missy is using the people who died in the Promised Land to bargain with the Cybermen, who are helping her find Gallifrey. I think Danny dies in “In the Forest of the Night”, as he’s in a Cyberman suit in the finale. He’s been partly-converted and escaped the Promised Land. 3W stands for 3 Worlds – Earth, the Promised Land and Gallifrey. Death is not an option, because with Missy gone from the Promised Land, the Cybermen immeditaley get the victims, so you live forever as a Cyberman. That’s my theory anyway…
Anonymous
October 19th, 2014 - 12:15pmI’d like to think the netherpshere is the World Wide Web in the future as in 3w,almost like the papal mainframe was the future church,3w could be future internet which collects the dead,saving them to a virtual reality and converting them so they can live forever…..but who missy is and why she wants all this to happen is something bigger
dave d
October 26th, 2014 - 12:19amI wouldn’t bother watching next week mate, looks like u have it all sorted, boneless…
Doctor Stu
October 18th, 2014 - 11:58amPeople are talking about galifrey possibly returning but this isn’t really relevant but I was wondering when gallifrey was frozen at the end of DOTD, it’s alright saying how the daleks were all destroyed in the cross fire (miracously) but what about all the daleks that were attacking the cities and were already on the planet, does that mean they were all frozen too, if that’s the case that could means that Davros is still frozen somewhere on gallifrey
CJ
October 18th, 2014 - 1:55pmDidn’t Davros escape with Dalek Caan?
Doctor Stu
October 18th, 2014 - 2:38pmOh yeh (awkward)
Anonymous
October 19th, 2014 - 8:52amDalek caan found a way into the time lock and pulled davros out
Ian
October 18th, 2014 - 11:22amThinking about this episode, I have a sneaking suspicion that the Cybermen won’t be playing as much of a prominent role as we all think.
We all (until a couple of days ago) thought we had a 2 part Cybermen story to finish the season. We now know that the Nethersphere plot line dominates these two episodes, so are the bits of Cybermen we have seen in shooting pictures just a part of the bigger idea.
Just have a feeling it will be a little less involved than we all hope.
Hope I am wrong.
Ian
October 18th, 2014 - 11:23amMaybe they are popping by to kill Clara as a treat 🙂
Drwho101
October 18th, 2014 - 6:54pmI actually think this will be the first moffat finale to be a self contained story arc except for maybe killing off clara,I think this will be like the angels take manhatten in a way,with all plot details resolved in this episode,but maybe gus could be the real bad guy,behind it all,gus could be the one who is behind the nethersphere plot and missy is just an attraction to get people to feel safe there
daleksean
October 18th, 2014 - 7:36pmthey should kill clara off shes boring now
Cyber10Dalek
October 16th, 2014 - 9:02pmI’m finding this most intriguing considering that while we have heard names such as the Nethersphere,Promised land,and even Heaven for the place that we keep seeing Missy in,we have never heard anyone refer to it or this `organisation` as W3.Who else is curious to see how this story arc shall be revealed and for that matter resolved?
Drwho101
October 17th, 2014 - 8:07am3w could mean the three worlds,heaven,earth and mondas
WFK DVD Collector 14
October 17th, 2014 - 8:18pmThat’s a very good idea. What if 3W is Mondas a few years before it was destroyed?
The Temporal Jelly Baby
October 18th, 2014 - 2:59pmThat is a good idea, Drwho101. 🙂
The five doctors
October 18th, 2014 - 8:02pmMy theory is that 3W could mean 3 words as in heaven and hell it can connect with missy and could be the postcode to heaven and hell very basic theory but o’well
Jammy2305
October 25th, 2014 - 1:39pm3W – the Cyber ship from The Wheel in Space…
The Temporal Jelly Baby
October 16th, 2014 - 8:07pmI wonder what the ‘impossible choice’ is. By the way, has anyone else noticed that the Doctor has not mentioned Gallifrey once this series? That’s a bit strange, seeing as he decided to make finding Gallifrey his mission in DOTD.
Nobody in particular
October 16th, 2014 - 8:54pmHe did say ‘the long way round’, implying that he’s still gonna go on as normal, but one day he will get back to Gallifrey. Well, that’s been the goal since An Unearthly Child, but he’s strayed away from it a bit
Drwho101
October 16th, 2014 - 9:43pmMaybe gallifrey will be linked somehow to the finale,not sure how
DoctorWho?
October 18th, 2014 - 12:58amthere will probably be a big gallifrey episode and the doctors been probably holding it in
Drwho101
October 18th, 2014 - 7:52amWe need the quest for gallifrey…the doctor is sent on a quest to find his home…but he must find it before davros and the master do,it could have those two villians as an alliance after gallifrey and the doctor on a quest to save it
The Temporal Jelly Baby
October 18th, 2014 - 2:57pmDrwho101:
An alliance between Davros and the Master? I’m not sure how that would work out…
Nobody in particular:
But whatever the ‘long way round’ is, I would have thought that he would have started thinking about it by now, especially with the Time Lords giving him a new regeneration cycle on Trenzalore.
DoctorWho?:
Yeah, there will definitely be a big Gallifrey episode at some point. I doubt that Death in Heaven is going to be it, but it’s possible…
doc fan
October 16th, 2014 - 7:46pmcannot wait!
Liam dalek
October 16th, 2014 - 6:45pmI would say that everyone gets converted into a cyberman
Jammy2305
October 16th, 2014 - 9:39pmThat’s my theory too! Especially as I’d heard episode 11 leads directly into episode 12…
StetsonDoctor
October 16th, 2014 - 4:48pm3W=Worldwide Web? 😆
DOCTOR WHO ONE
October 16th, 2014 - 5:11pmOh yeahhhhhhhhh 😀
Anonymous
October 16th, 2014 - 8:48pmlol! I only noticed that! 😀
Anonymous
October 16th, 2014 - 8:48pmlol!!
DOCTOR WHO ONE
October 16th, 2014 - 4:26pm3W . . . . sounds like part of a post code 😀
CJ
October 16th, 2014 - 4:23pmCannot wait!
Doyouhearthem?
October 16th, 2014 - 1:08pmWho’s up for the idea that Missy wants to sustain the Doctor and Clara’s relationship so that more people die and come to 3W…?
Also, ‘Nethersphere’ reminds me of ‘Neverland’ and spheres from alan Barnes 2003 audio drama: Gallifrey’s morgue..
Drwho101
October 16th, 2014 - 5:03pmI like this idea a lot,I hope this is the case,would explain the whole thing about gus as well being set up to have people arriving on the train and being killed by the foretold….however does anyone think missy will link to gallifrey somehow and maybe even why the 12th doctor has this face that he’s seen before?