May 20th, 2013
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Anon
May 20th, 2013 - 2:19amThe Doctor’s secret is his name
Kendall
May 20th, 2013 - 2:17ambecause she’s the Doctor’s wife
Teresa
May 20th, 2013 - 1:56amDidn’t John Hurt say that he played a doctor that unites with two other doctors to defeat a great enemy?
Teresa
May 20th, 2013 - 1:28amWhy does River Song know everything about the doctor?
The Geordiemaxter
May 20th, 2013 - 12:08amCàn anyone see away round the fact that the doctor has admitted he ended the time war
THEREFORE ITS NOT A SECRET
THEREFORE HURT CAN NOT BE HIS SECRET
So really the 9th doctor theory can not be right
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 10:00pmAlso, you’ll notice all the Doctors Clara saw before meeting the ‘Fallen Doctor’ were running. John Hurt, on the other hand, stayed where he was. Whether this is meant to be symbolic of him being the Doctor who ‘stood his ground’ while the others all ran or not, it is a pretty interesting scene when you analyse it.
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 9:53pmAlso, if the Doctor that John Hurt is gonna play is the 8th Doctor after he’s ended the Time War and committed genocide, the meeting may take place after the Time War. The entire war was time locked, meaning nobody could get in or out of the war. Whether this applies to the Doctor’s timestream is debatable, but it may mean Clara couldn’t visit the Doctor Hurt plays.
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 9:49pmIt also allows for a few more “doctored” original series clips with MS and Clara in the background as they travel around the time stream trying to get out to the present
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 9:47pmThe Valeyard hasn’t had enough information revealed yet. I wasn’t born until 15 years after the Valeyard was revealed, but I know he is an evil part of the Doctor between his 12th and 13th incarnations. To reveal him would be a huge deal, particularly after only one mention in 30 years and 15 seasons. I have no doubt he’ll be bought back, but now is too soon.
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 9:37pmInteresting theory – good way for the different elements to meet each other – if we combine this with timewar doctor theory maybe the only way of getting into the timelocked timewar through the only survivor’s time stream
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 9:23pmI think the whole of the 50th is set inside of the Doctor’s timestream, and that’s where The Doctor and Clara meet 10 and Rose and Zygons and Daleks and Liz 1 and John Hurt’S Doctor, but somehow they contact UNIT and Ingrid Olivers character gets them out of the Timestream and into reality, only problem is that HurtDoctor and 10 and Rose are all in reality too, along with some other nasty things
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 7:59pmSorry, but the Doctor’s name was only important to open his tomb, so the Great Intelligence could enter his timeline. And the Doctor destroyed the Time Lords because he realised they were about to do what they did in ‘The End of Time’, obliterate the universe and live on as beings of concious alone. May be he was ashamed about destroying the Time Lords, but he used a device called ‘The Moment’, his name had nothing to do with it.
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 7:59pmI think the whole name thing was mr Moff’s smoke and mirror routine to get us to this point and won’t have relevance in the time war and will again remain a mystery
Ephraim
May 19th, 2013 - 7:53pmI’m thinking Hurt is indeed Time War. Here’s my reasoning:
1. Clara saw in the book in Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS his real name from reading “History of the Last Great Time War”
2. What DT said to Rose in Journey’s End about the metacrisis Doctor: “He’s like me when we first met…born from battle…committed genocide” The genocide metacrisis did was just the Daleks. Hurt did Daleks and Galifraians/Time Lords.
3. CE was really struggling with deciding to kill the Daleks for good and in the process killing half on the population on Earth in The Parting of the Ways. And MS was equally frustrated in Victory of the Daleks on letting them go to save Earth. These struggles were him not wanting to commit genocide again. (DT did this too in Runaway Bride but the Racnoss forced him to kill them).
the astronaut of death
May 19th, 2013 - 7:50pmthis is my theory
I think a long time ago the doctor was told that his name is a dangerous name it is a name that destroys worlds so the dr made a promise to gallifrey to never say it so he needed to choose a new name so he chose the name the doctor and he would live on as the doctor and never reveal his name.
but when the john hurts dr was fighting in the time war he realised the time lords were going to loose and the daleks were going to escape gallifrey and destroy more worlds as they lived on. but the dr needed to change that so he chose he was going to sacrifice the time lords and kill both the time lords and the daleks by revealing his name witch would destroy gallifrey and kill the daleks so the doctor said his name and gallifrey and the daleks died and the dr escaped.
after the time war john hurts dr realised what he had done and was ashamed in himself and he realised this current incretion dose not deserve the name the doctor because he broke the promise so the doctor killed him self so he could live on and start a new life and forget about the evil dr who destroyed gallifrey….and broke the promise
please reply and tell me what you think
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Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 7:26pmYour confusing incarnation with regeneration -and at the point of this is there is now conjecture and not fact that Matt smith is the 11th incarnation and little evidence of hurt being from the future rather than more probably a past secret incarnation – and this would be more of the game changer mr moff promised
DoctorWho4eva
May 19th, 2013 - 6:55pmMatt Smith is the 11th doctor so the next regeneration is the 12th and his final one will be the 13th- most likely to be played by John hurt
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 6:55pmBut that does rely on the master as a source who may or may not have known about doctor9 Hurt – I assume he did know him in the time war before he ran away from it but who knows as it was a previous master – i think I had better stop with these theories and just wait patiently to enjoy the 50th anniversary and let Moff’s vision wash over me
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 6:49pmThe valeyards for the future – a teaser – it is an amalgamation between the doctors 12th and final incarnation – so will be relevant to a Matt smith regeneration if he is now the 12th (if hurt is either doctor zero or the more likely timewar doctor 9)
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 6:10pm@EarthSeeker One or two corrections, at your request! The Second Doctor wasn’t executed because he only stole a TARDIS and ran off. He wasn’t executed as the Fourth Doctor in The Deadly Assassin for (accidentally) killing the Time Lord President because he ran for President. Also, he had his exile lifted because his first three incarnations stopped Omega, who was threatening Gallifrey.
JULIUS
May 19th, 2013 - 6:04pmThanks guys 😀
John
May 19th, 2013 - 5:58pmOzymandias is actually a poem by Shelley.
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!’
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away”.
Makes you think eh?
Ryan
May 19th, 2013 - 5:48pmWhat ‘signs’ exactly point towards #1?
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 5:44pmIt’s the only explanation I can think of. He’s killed before, but he’s never been so ashamed he was disowned by his future self. He destroyed the Time Lords, Gallifrey, the Daleks etc. because the Time Lords became desperate, so he did it because he ‘had no choice’. Also, the 9th Doctor is an angry version, far worse than the others. This has always been attributed to survivor’s guilt, but did he hate himself more than we thought for ending the war?
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 5:37pmPersonally, I don’t think this particular incarnation of the Doctor is the Valeyard, simply because he only appeared for one season when the original series began to get bad. I think he’ll he introduced as we get closer to the Doctor’s 12th and 13th incarnations, but for now I don’t think he’ll be introduced. Similarly, I don’t think Hurt is a Doctor from before Hartnell, as we know even less about the Doctor’s life on Gallifrey before he left. Though it could be a younger version of the First Doctor, I don’t buy that he did anything terrible on Gallifrey. It also isnt the First Doctor, making Hartnell the Second, as in The Five Doctors the 5th Doctor says he is at regeneration 4, leading Hartnell to say ‘So there are 5 of me now’. He could be the Other, one of the original founders of Gallifreyan society along with Omega and Rassilon, but he isn’t actually the Doctor; rather, the Doctor may be a ‘reborn’ version of the Other.
I think that there’s one incarnation of the Doctor Hurt may be; the 8th, following his destruction of Gallifrey and the ending of the time war. I think there’s several pieces of evidence for this. Firstly, the 8th Doctor (or potentially the 9th, as we know next to nothing about the Time War) was the man who wiped out the Daleks, Time Lords and countless other species when he ended the war. Considering no other versions of the Doctor find themselves in a situation like this (the closest I can think of is the 4th Doctor when he blows up the Dalek embryo room in Genesis of the Daleks), I don’t think it’ll be any other versions, presuming the Doctor has no other undocumented situations like this. The fact Hurt appears to be wearing a mixture of clothing from the 8th and 9th Doctor’s wardrobe also supports this. As well as this, Clara didn’t see Hurt when she entered his timestream; while Hurt isn’t technically the Doctor, he’s still the same man, so should appear in the timestream. However, if Hurt ended the Time War, he would at some point be in the time lock he placed it in. Which leads to another exciting prospect; were the 11th and Hurt’s Doctors on Gallifrey or Skaro? We know Gallifrey was destroyed in the Time War, but the Skaro the 7th Doctor destroyed with the Hand of Omega was a decoy, and we know both planets were devastated in the war.
I actually doubt Hurt will be any of these though; they’re all far too obvious. Moffat will almost certainly deliver another shock on the 50th anniversary and do something none of us expect.
Ozymadias
May 19th, 2013 - 5:19pmAlso, in the special “The Five Doctors” The Master was granted additional regenerations to save the Doctor. This suggests that the 12 regeneration limit is in fact emposed by the time lord council, rather than mandatory.
On top of this River used up all of her regenerations to save the Doctor, so perhaps he inherited all of her ‘lives’
Chris
May 19th, 2013 - 4:49pmFor all of you people saying that the doctor can only regenerate twelve or thirteen times… Whilst that might have been true Stephen Moffatt wrote an episode in the Sarah Jane adventuresnspin of series where the doctor himself when asked how many times he could regenerate said 1108
christian smith
May 19th, 2013 - 4:42pm10th dr regenerated twice, so if matt smith is no 12 then he has no regenerations left
Tardis Rider
May 19th, 2013 - 4:39pmI’ve just watched ‘Nightmare in Silver’ and commenting on the pause in the sequence of Doctors shown in that episode, that pause occurs between 10th DT and 11th MS Doctors. We never know what happened when DT’s Doctor got angry at going too soon, and MS’s Doctor flying into Big Ben at the start of ‘Eleventh Hour’. All this time I thought it was virtually seemless, but what if the 10th Doctor was so angry at his death? Could he have caused some atrocious acts or regenerated into someone who could (John Hurt)? Stephen Moffat should only change history from when he began being head writer for Doctor Who, so this theory would fit. Matt Smith is the 12th Doctor but the 11th was John Hurt…
The TARDIS
May 19th, 2013 - 4:31pmDo you know, I really hoped that Moffat wouldn’t make the 50th Anniversary all about his story arc. I can’t wait to see all of Moffat’s great plans come into fruition, I’d much rather see that than a brilliant stand-alone adventure…