May 20th, 2013
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The Final Moments of The Name of the Doctor
The Final Moments of The Name of the Doctor – Doctor Who Series 7 Part 2 2013
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mart249
May 20th, 2013 - 6:39pmI agree with Anonymous that said John Hurts Doctor is the secret as The Doctor said it was and that he wants to keep it secret of what The Hurt Doctor did as hes clearly ashamed at whatever he did and The Doctor also said he didnt do whatever happens in the name of The Doctor. So current theory is that the secret is what The Hurt Doctor did that isnt in the name of The Doctor
Anonymous
May 20th, 2013 - 6:33pmGeordiemaxter look at what people have put and you will read that quite a few theories have not said the time war is part of this. share your reasons though for ur ideas
Dr Simeon
May 20th, 2013 - 6:01pmI have a different theory
Dr Simeon
May 20th, 2013 - 6:00pmI agree lol
Gutted with the ending
Dr simeon
random user
May 20th, 2013 - 4:40pmI thought it was the Valeyard. Well, until he turned around.
Anonymous
May 20th, 2013 - 4:15pmI think you missed the point…in the final scene the Doctor expains that his real name is not the point…and then goes on to tell John Hurt’s Doctor that he didnt act in ‘the name of the Doctor’…thats what the title was refering to…not his actual name…thats what we were led to belive…right up to that scene.
Matt Smith
May 20th, 2013 - 4:11pm🙂
drwhofan4ever
May 20th, 2013 - 4:07pmwhat is the doctors name?
they didnt say and the episode was called the NAME of the doctor
Anonymous
May 20th, 2013 - 3:56pmThey’re going in opposite directions. When they first met from the Doctor’s perspective she died, and this version of River was the one he saved when she died. The version we saw before that was probably approaching the meeting point, where she knows less about him than he does about her.
Anonymous
May 20th, 2013 - 3:51pmAlso, the Valeyard would be a big character to introduce. He may well be introduced later, but knowing Moffat he’ll leave small clues throughout an entire season. They can’t exactly say ‘He’ll be known as the Valeyard. By the way, this guy introduced half an hour later is the Valeyard’.
Wild Wolfie
May 20th, 2013 - 3:48pm‘The name of the Doctor’ is a bit of a sneaky wordplay. It can be taken two ways. The Doctor, like other superheroes has taken an alter ego,for example Bruce Wayne’s alter ego Batman, Tony Stark’s alter ego Ironman and so on. Their alter ego name is more a moral code to live by rather than the name itself. The same can be said for super villians, only in an opposite spectrum to superheroes. They act as we would expect them to act. The same applies to the Doctor, some unknown Timelord’s alter ego. We expect something done ‘In the name of the Doctor’ to be good, because that is the code the Timelord lives by. The problem is we have never seen behind the mask, we have only seen the alter ego. We have had hints that this Timelord had a shady past before he took on this alter ego ‘The Doctor’. What if something was done in the name of the Doctor, his real Gallifreyan name not the title ‘The Doctor’. Are we sure they would be good? This question is a constant torment for the Doctor himself, mainly because he knows what he is capable of and his split personality manifests itself into physical entities each time he regenerates, due to being a Timelord he has less control over it than others, his moral conflicts are as much physical conflicts than they are mental.
The Flying Shark
May 20th, 2013 - 3:44pmTotal TV Guide said this cliffhanger would be life changing. And they weren’t wrong!
timelord327
May 20th, 2013 - 3:32pmI think that john hurts doctor was the one that ended the time war
Mark
May 20th, 2013 - 3:20pmWho Hurt, (!! No pun!!), is is simply obvious! You lot are all getting VASTLY too over-excited, conspiratorial, second-guessing and analytical.
I will explain for you all simply who Hurt must be, then:
1) In the script clearly Smith is referring to the fact that Hurt is a future version of the Doctor, probably from the main timeline, who did something necessary, but so bad that The Doctor doesn’t want it to be done in The Doctor’s name.
In that energy-chamber and tomb, where Smith says all of The Doctor’s selves exist, it is therefore possible easily for any future Doctors to be, such as Hurt.
No other mad, over-analytical, wildly wishful-thinking interpretations as an alternative, side timeline, pre-Hartnell character or the many others posted here by many of you are possible.
2) Hurt is definitely The Doctor – not like David Morrisey or any other alternative or possible self or past or ‘fake’ Doctor, as the BBC very boldly and definitively stated this in big, proud letters AND at the end of the credits’ cast-list.
That is simply too much proof to undo or rewrite it as some fake, joke or bluff in a future story.
3) I am very surprised by us meeting a future Doctor, as in my long knowledge of the show this has never happened. Valeyard, dark doctors, whatever…
We have never met a future regeneration before in the TV show until regenerating.
So, this was a very thrilling and huge twist, and an interesting play from Moffatt.
Maybe he/writers plan to take a new approach from Nov/2013 – futures and pasts and presents of Doctors and others all chucked in together much more.
4) Maybe that will be as they perhaps plan from Nov/2013 to FINALLY bloody tie up – in a series-long, era-ending epic story, like ‘Trial of a Time Lord’ or ‘Key to Time’ – their endless, interesting, hugely frustrating and often stupidly, annoyingly unresolved 2005-2013 references and quotes to ‘Silence Will Fall’, ‘Bad Wolf’, Time War…
5) If so, I think even more that Hurt is the final, 13th Doctor – who had to do sth awful to finally end the Time War, as it was re-opened – just as in Tennant’s finale, don’t forget.
This is time-travel, so any old baloney get-outs, re-writes and explanations can be used for anything!
Maybe Dalton’s bossman finds a way to get back out of the Time War or maybe to chase the Daleks, if they get back out.
They all fight like hell and nearly destroy the universe, as ever, and Hurt’s, final 13th Doctor has to kill them all to stop uni-destruction.
If so, though: how does Smith’s 11th, earlier Doctor know about this?
Well, time-travel allows the writers to explain and do anything they like, inc’ for a Timelord to know all about his future, after all.
Plus: in this series-closing episode Smith keeps banging on that he can’t go to his own grave, “It’s TOTALLY impossible”, etc etc. The Tardis also ‘fights him’ in this ep’ to stop him getting there.
But, hey ho, they still fairly easily get there to his giant, frankly weird idea and rather bizarrely SUPER-giant phallic, Tardis tomb.
So, a timelord can still just easily get to his death and cross his timeline to even AFTER his death = to his tomb, despite all that and endless references in many earlier ep’s and in pre-’90 Dr.Who, too.
6) Someone here wrote re: Are Doctor and Master the same? It’s often been thought so.
After Tennant and Simm’s episodes explaining timelords’ childhoods, it doesn’t seem so. It seems they are seperate beings.
7) But, then, why did Smith call that ‘Dream Master’ in ‘frozen Tardis’ various things that suggest he was probably The Master, esp’ ‘Who else hates me as much as you do?’
So, I reckon that character was The Master after Simms.
One great waste and stupidity of modern Dr. Who is how they often cheat by simply reversing history to get out of a disaster, e.g. end of 2008 series.
But, esp’y how they waste actors and characters, most of all The Master is suddenly revealed in a magnificent twist in YANA – AND he is played by a tremendously evil, fuming, sinister and menacing Jacobi!
What a masterstroke of story-telling and casting! But, then, almost immediately Jacobi is gone.
Plus despite Simms’ very story-rich ep’s, we haven’t really seen much of him before his Master has been binned off.
Likewise Dalton’s excellent casting as Rassilon (or whichever Timelord bossman he turns out to have bloody well truly been!)
Stop it, you muppets!
I hope they have both Jacobi’s AND Simm’s masters in the 50th birthday ep’. After all, “with time travel you can do, write, explain away and get out of anything!”
8) I am disappointed to read that only Tennant and Smith – plus now a 3rd Doctor, Hurt – are due in such an iconic ep’ for such an iconic show all about time travel, when many other Doctor actors are still alive – and when such an essential, 50th anniversary story should be one of the Doctor’s biggest battles and stories ever.
This definitely requires The Master, Davros and Daleks, after all – plus Rassilon and the Timelord council back from Time War.
Indeed I reckon this 50th ep’ will be in the Time War, probably resolving it with Hurt’s Doctor ending it forever.
9) Then in 2014 they will probably via flashbacks give us many hugely enjoyable stories, explaining how it began, what it was and showing us many important events in it.
After all, Tennant’s Doctor kept banging on and other ref’s in his stories often did, too, to many terrible Time War acts of his that caused him to be a terribly tortured and maybe now somewhat bad, evil person.
So, when are we EVER bloody going to get the satisfaction of ALL this explained to us?
10) Well, I tell you when:
starting in the 50th birthday ep’ with Hurt’s 13th, final, still helpful and noble-aims driven, but terribly violent/vengeful Doctor shown in / explaining many of the key element of Time War and ‘Silence will fall’ and Bad Wolf – the 3 most important storylines in New Dr.Who.
So, in conclusion:
THIS is who Hurt’s Doctor is and THIS is probably what much of the next two years’ central ideas and stories are going to be…
…and THAT is how a brilliantly clever writer creates a fantastic cliffhanger and keeps his show’s fans rabidly intrigued with thrilled, truly breath-taken anticipation and guessing about the next episode.
So, well done, Moffat! (Or is it Moffatt? Dunno, sorry, pal!)
Wild Wolfie
May 20th, 2013 - 2:35pmI agree with you. This incarnation is his secret, he even admits it to himself in the final scene but his real name is also secret. To know one is to know the other.
Gary
May 20th, 2013 - 2:28pmReading all of these comments baffles me, I know everyone is due their opinion but why would John Hurt’s dr be a dr between 8 and 9 when the dr himself indicates he is a dr from his own future. I’m assuming he is the dr’s next incarnation towards the end of his life, and is the Valeyard or about to become the Valeyard. It definitely looks like the 50th will be a battle in his own time stream however. Being a massive fan of who i can’t wait. But looking at most of your opinions and he is either 8 or 9, then it is more likely an older version of 8, as it was clear that 9 had only just regenrated before the episode rose. But i’m hoping its the Valeyard and he’s the main threat of the 50th anniversary special.
Anonymous
May 20th, 2013 - 2:15pmThe Doctor even said in that final scene that his real name was not the point…
Anonymous
May 20th, 2013 - 1:44pmIt’s a popular theory…however the Valeyard is dark without remorse….John Hurts character seemed to try and defend his actions (whatever they were) by implying they were for the greater good….not something the Valeyard would be concerned with. We’ll find out in 6 months.
Anonymous
May 20th, 2013 - 1:36pmThe secret is what John Hurts incarnation actually did…we’re all assuming its to do with the time war…it may not be. The secret, in terms of the episode, was not his name….that was what Steven Moffatt wanted us to think.
the man from outer space
May 20th, 2013 - 1:36pmi was speechless about the ending. who is john hurt. wait no i know who he is. buti was looking forard to the ending and i thought it was gonna be awesome. what a waist of film. 🙁
Anonymous
May 20th, 2013 - 1:35pmI’m not sure…I think his real name being such a big deal and secret was /is a bit a a red Herron….the secret is the incarnation that John Hurt plays….a version of the Doctor that took actions that The Doctor is so ashamed of that it was not done in ‘the name of the doctor’….that’s what the title of the show referred to…not his actual name.
Dalek: the Supreme
May 20th, 2013 - 1:31pmRiver Song also gave him her remaining regenerations, so that’s another 10 since she used 3 of them, and TheDoctorWhoGeek, where did it say that? In The Keeper of Trakken, the Doctor and the Master both acknowledge the Master’s current regeneration as his last, and he has to steal a body to survive.
Dalek: the Supreme
May 20th, 2013 - 1:28pmHow can you say that when we don’t know what John Hurt’s Doctor did or why. All you’re doing here seems to be pouring hate on Matt Smith for a very bad reason.
Dalek: the Supreme
May 20th, 2013 - 1:19pmWe just don’t know how or why
the doctor
May 20th, 2013 - 1:18pmactually it is because she is his futur thus she knows more about the doctor than the doctor does himself.
Anonymous
May 20th, 2013 - 1:14pmYep….that’s pretty much what the doctor implied in the final scene.
daryl
May 20th, 2013 - 12:59pmWHAT IF?:
The Doctor:
Doctor- mean healer or wise man. The man who saves lives.
The Doctor is all of this as we know but what if Hurt’s Doctor was not this?
mart249
May 20th, 2013 - 9:02am@Dalek: the Supreme
“The Hurt Doctor can’t be a future regeneration as the Eleventh Doctor knows about him”
Why cant he be a future generation? its like saying The Doctor cant go to his own grave, but he did and he stopped his own death with forknowledge for the future and during The Ultimate Foe, The Master points out that The Valeyard is the future Doctor, so someone else met him and then told The Doctor, same as which keeps happening with River – Spoilers. She could have told the 10th Doctor that she married him, but didnt say, again to forknowledge
@Dread
Remember what keeps being said, It is hidden in plain sight, so chances are he has left so many clues in the history in the show and is working off past series info also. So Moff might have already given us a big spoiler even including it in things said and just being big teasers for future as there are a few possabilities it could be and it will keep us all going to find out what/who
I do agree with you that only true whovians will prob be able to put the picture together, its why im here and trying to figure it out from other peoples ideas and my own and deffinetly The Valeyard does deserve a massive buildup for a storyline with him in it, maybe a big leadup in the episode itself of 50th anniversary as we are all running up the walls to find out, so we ourselves are a big buildup as we are discussing it now and untill november 23rd, that is norm how the Moff does it and missleading and letting us all have our own ideas 🙂
Anonymous
May 20th, 2013 - 8:00amHe is the valyard which points to the fact that the doctors name is the valyard!
Wild Wolfie
May 20th, 2013 - 3:40amThe ‘Secret’ is the Doctors name. By revealing his name it reveals this incarnations timestream,that is why Clara could not see this incarnation in the Doctors timestream. This incarnation did something terrible, something that was against everything the Doctor stands for (most likely his actions in the Time War). This is a wretched incarnation that cannot be forgiven even by his other incarnations. In otherwords he cannot forgive himself for his own actions. Thus, he cannot even be called the Doctor anymore as he has failed to live up to the code of the Doctor, the ‘promise’ he has made to himself and others. This means he can only go by his real Gallifreyan name. To know this name is to know this incarnations timestream and what he did. It has to be kept secret because it is the only time the Doctor has failed to live by his promise to the universe, showing that he is not infallible and has a weakness. It could be hidden partly for the shame of it but more likely the Doctor perceives this fallible incarnation of himself could be exploited by his enemies.