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The Outcast
July 28th, 2017 - 4:22pmPolitical correctness isn’t the same as woman’s lib though…
Probably could have worded the original post better, but unlike my Hell Bent RANTS, I don’t tend to put the most time into these posts, so they can get kinda ramble-y at times.
Doctor Stu
July 28th, 2017 - 3:32pmOvernight Ratings mean nothing anymore due to people recording it or watching it on iPlayer or even if you’re a low key fan waiting for the DVDs or it to come on Netflix or whatever people use to watch things. And some people watch doctor who but jumped on the train late and so are still on like series 5 or 6 when the new series airs and so don’t watch live because of that
Doctor Stu
July 28th, 2017 - 3:29pmThere have been so many guest stars under moffat who have been wasted or under used due to bad writing I just pray series 11 is a better beginning for Doctor Who and not a disaster like series 7 part 2 and series 8 and 9 apart from a few episodes here and there
Chris
July 28th, 2017 - 2:38pmI have not personally seen this new PC agenda. Where is their official manifesto written? Is there a group or society I can join to show my solidarity with women and force the BBC and other channels to cast more females when they can? I was taught about the inequality when I was in school (many years ago now) and how women had fought for the vote and took over jobs while the lads were fighting for freedom etc. I had not realised that it was only in the last 5 years that they were able to be heard, but this is great news if its true!
pats86
July 28th, 2017 - 2:27pmDito
pats86
July 28th, 2017 - 2:26pmAnd for all the wrong reasons I feel.
pats86
July 28th, 2017 - 2:25pmThat is what I’m trying to say The outcast, had it happened much earlier it would have been an easier transition not now after 50 years.
The Outcast
July 28th, 2017 - 12:22pmMy stance on 13 is:
No stance until Series 11 because ultimately the writing will decide whether 13 will be loved or loathed.
The Outcast
July 28th, 2017 - 12:19pmBut, but… what about 7? Remembrance of the Daleks, Survival, all the other good ones?
The Outcast
July 28th, 2017 - 12:17pmI think what he’s trying to say is that if this had happened earlier in the Classics, back when there wasn’t a PC agenda, not many people would have minded, but nowadays, they are clearly only changing the formula to be more PC. If that was right, I can see where Pats is coming from. It’s only been the last 4 or 5 years that have established this as being possible and the PC agenda has only really come out in the last 4 or 5 years. I think the thing Pats and others are most worried about is the reasons for this casting. Are they doing it because they think they can do something new and different with a female or are they doing it to be PC?
Chris
July 28th, 2017 - 12:01pmBut Pats you are contradicting yourself – you say you think they should have had a female doctor in the eighties but at the same time you are angry that the show runners have now added on to the lore of Galifrey that Time Lords and Ladies can change gender, if they wish. But IF they had a female doctor in the eighties it would have not been canon!
The Moffat Paradox
July 28th, 2017 - 11:23amOutside of enhanced CGI I would only conceive of this being one offs to better fill the gaps with missing episodes.So any conflict with the main series shouldn’treally arise.
Doctor Stu
July 28th, 2017 - 11:17amI don’t know if the outcast agrees with the new Doctor or not and I’m not suggesting you do or you don’t but I’ve heard the argument before with other people where they think the possibility that they’ve only auditioned women is outrageous and have said they should cast both genders to make it fair. But then if they did cast both genders these people would still complain about the final outcome being a woman even tho the casting process is something that they wanted. It’s like saying ‘yes let everyone audition it’s fair’ and then getting mad when this process is carried out and a woman is cast at the end because everyone wants it to be open to everyone so they can get another man. This probabaly made no sense whatsoever but I know what I’m trying to say in my head. My brain knows. My mouth is just having a hard time XD
Chris
July 28th, 2017 - 11:08amI could not disagree more. 🙂
Dalek Eye Stalk
July 28th, 2017 - 9:50amPlus David Bradley is a in high demand actor. I’d very much doubt he’d have time available. Also, whilst Bradley is an adequate replacement for Hartnell, Shearsmith is out of his depth and a totally inadequate replacement for Troughton.
Dalek Eye Stalk
July 28th, 2017 - 9:44amWell if you were to have a spin off of different Doctor Who, a.k.a remaking the old Hartnell and Troughton stories. That wouldn’t be deemed adequate if the main current series is being aired in the same year. It would seem like two different versions of the same series (with the same name) being made. And anyway if such a spinoff titled Doctor Who was made, then myself and many others would rather it featured ‘brand new adventures with the 8th Doctor, Paul McGann. That would make much more sense, even if again it potentially undermined the current series.
The Moffatt Paradox
July 28th, 2017 - 2:40amImproved CGI might be a way to go but with regard to budget when there’s perhaps a never to be repeated unique opportunity (Particularly with a regarded actor like David Bradley who looks in costume so much like William Hartwell) money was found outside of Doctor Who itself for the rather underwhelming Class.
The Moffatt Paradox
July 28th, 2017 - 2:24amThere’s in universe tinkering and there’s in universe tinkering. Of course it was necessary to have a plot device in which the Doctor could get beyond 13 regenerations.
But even before “The Time Of The Doctor “it was during Moffatt’s tenure with episodes like “The Doctor’s Wife” and mention of the gender changing Gallifreyan called the Corsair before the big reveal in the Capaldi era that Missy was the Master and seeing the General actually switch genders in “Hell Bent” that created the gender changing precedent.That was never there before so why introduce it?
Because it’s in the actual world we live in agenda driven and not because it is otherwise inevitable or necessary.(As well as threatening to undermine the whole series dynamic which has been centred very successfully around the central character being male.)
Chinball in making the casting choice fired the gun so to speak but Moffatt with the in universe tinkering HERE made the bullets such that he wouldn’t be restricted to male actors.
The Outcast
July 28th, 2017 - 1:43amIt is still wrong to only go for one gender though. I’ll let it pass this time, but in future we need to audition both genders unless the show-runner has someone specific in mind for the role.
The Outcast
July 28th, 2017 - 1:37amThe Doctor needs to remain asexual. I hate all NuWho’s Doctor romances.
The Prydonian
July 28th, 2017 - 12:13amHere, here VOR. I couldn’t agree more. I noticed In the Radio Times letters page the editorial commented that most of the correspondence was unhappy with the casting of a female Doctor. I see the audio adventures are adding female Doctor stories. Good god
Doctor Stu
July 27th, 2017 - 7:32pmI think it’s because Michelle said if missy returns it would be girl on girl in the tardis in a kind of tongue in cheek way and the newspapers have just blown it out of proportion
R1ch1e
July 27th, 2017 - 7:28pmLol I’ve read these too. It’s typical of the press. They’ve taken a comment from Michelle Gomez and blown it WAS WAY out of proportion just for the sake of click bait.
Dalek Eye Stalk
July 27th, 2017 - 6:34pmThey would ‘NEVER’ do this! Firstly it would cost a small fortune to cast, film, direct, build sets etc. Secondly, they have all of the audio soundtrack for ALL the missing episodes, why remake them with different actors? Thirdly, if the audio exists then I’d rather see it coupled with animation, or at a later time, recreated visually with CGI. Looking at the recreation of Peter Cushing in ‘Star Wars: Rogue One’, I don’t see why in the future if it progresses and gets cheaper and easier, it could be made to look like it was made in the 1960’s, and in black and white.
T.A
July 27th, 2017 - 6:23pmNo moffat auditioned women when David was leaving. Also even if Moffat had just done males. The doctor has mainly been male not female.
pats86
July 27th, 2017 - 6:09pmA number of papers are now reporting that the lead character (the Doctor) is going to be bisexual and will have a lovely interest girl on girl it says, it’s probably paper talk and hopefully the Doctor will stay asexual as always!
I really liked Bill and representing GLTB is fine with me but I’d rather it not be the Doctor and keep it to the support characters.
pats86
July 27th, 2017 - 5:52pmI’m glad we can see through the political agenda Adam, I read the Bond article and it mentioned Gillian Anderson as a possible Bond, I assume it was in jest?
Had the Doctor continued to be male we wouldn’t be arguing with Chris, The Living Shadow and others and that is a shame but because we are doing and it shows the division in the fanbase! Am I wrong? No, Moffat has caused this along with Chibnall and the BBC.
pats86
July 27th, 2017 - 5:40pmYes
The Living Shadow
July 27th, 2017 - 5:29pmRegeneration, Adam, Regeneration… That’s the key.
The Living Shadow
July 27th, 2017 - 5:27pmYou don’t know that this move was politically motivated. You’ve just made your own links.