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Radio Times-Newly Found Episodes Released Soon

Doctor Who: newly discovered lost episodes to be released for sale this week

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Recently recovered missing Patrick Troughton episodes will be made available digitally later this week, can reveal

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  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 2:02pm

    Surely the BBC must realise that any genuine fan over about 35 will rush out and buy any missing episodes put out on DVD almost immediately, and they would much rather do that than download them?

    Are the BBC a lot more hard up than we thought or is the seller driving such a hard bargain that they simply can’t afford to buy the episodes from him?

    As the BBC owns the copyright anyway, surely the seller (if “seller” is indeed an appropriate term?) is bang out of order by demanding more than a nominal fee for their safe return to the archives in which they belong?

  • Some bloke

    October 8th, 2013 - 1:59pm

    I think that sounds a little stupid. I don’t think there’s any point in speculating stuff like that, when we’ll find out the full details (hopefully) on thursday

  • booboo

    October 8th, 2013 - 1:52pm

    all sounds quite astonishing to me

    If they are going to itunes 1st because they need some immediate return and its takes time to get them to DVD then fine, i will wait for the DVD.

    you couldn’t make this up could you!

  • booboo

    October 8th, 2013 - 1:49pm

    so the jist is they are putting them on itunes to make a quick buck so they can afford to buy the others that are being held to ransom?

  • Anonymous

    October 8th, 2013 - 1:46pm

    That’s Ian Levine’s rant provided more details.

    Seemingly these episodes were found 3 years ago, although the BBC have only just managed to get a hold of them. Seemingly further episodes are being held to ransom and if the iTunes sales are successful further episodes may be found.

    Don’t know if there is any truth in this or it is just speculation on Levine’s part, but we certainly should be making an effort and getting a hold of these episodes when they go up regardless of what other rumours there are.

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 1:40pm

    Anyone seen Ian Levine’s latest twitter? It was posted half an hour or so ago. He is telling us that if we want to see any more missing episodes we need to pay real money to download whatever they make available at the end of this week immediately….at £15.00 a shot. I’m assuming that’s £15.00 per story, NOT per episode?!

    Are we supposed to believe that they won’t issue this stuff on DVD?! I would much rather buy the DVD as I’m far from 100% computer literate and on top of that, I won’t really feel like I’ve got this stuff until I’ve bought the DVDs.

    I usually wait 2 or 3 years before buying the official DVDs as by then I can usually get them for half price or less. That suits me because I’m not exactly well off. As these new DVDs will feature eps I have never ever seen I may just go out and pay full price for them and do it a whole lot sooner than I would normally….but I ain’t gonna buy them TWICE!

    Comments, guys…?

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 1:33pm

    Hey, Dalek Supreme…. The liquorice allsorts man from Happiness Patrol was awesome and deserved to be seen in a better story. Paradise Towers….well I did like the old ladies.

    6th Doctor I thought was great, though like practically everyone else I hated that costume. In fact I hated the whole JN-T notion of the Doctor having an actual costume….and I especially hated the question marks. 7th Doctor I wasn’t particularly mad about but I feel he would have been a lot better if he’d had a better actress as his companion. Langford and Aldred I think do not rank highly with most fans, and I have to go along with the majority on that one.

    I have trouble remembering the titles for many of the new series episodes as they are generally very poor and I think they made a mistake when they decided to stop using the Part One and Part Two thing. I don’t recall either of the two new series episodes you mention, though I have doubtless seen them. My favourite Matt Smith eps is the xmas special with the flying shark….whatever that one was called; it was by far the best “special” to date in my eyes. I think Smith and both of his companions have been excellent. Unfortunately, I don’t think they’ve had the quality of stories that Tennant was blessed with and the same goes for Eccleston. Rose I liked….but I didn’t care for her parents or her boyfriend. Donna’s family were just great. As were Martha’s.

  • Dalek The Supreme

    October 8th, 2013 - 1:20pm

    I understand how one might feel at liking something others seem to hate. I like the Sixth and Seventh Doctors, the Eleventh Doctor is my favorite, I think David Tennant is overrated, I like Paradise Towers, The Happiness Patrol, Asylum of the Daleks, and The Rings of Akhaten, all stories I’ve seen get considerable hate, and I don’t like Rose Tyler. I’ve often been criticized for feeling this way about these certain things on Youtube.

  • Anonymous

    October 8th, 2013 - 1:17pm

    Current budget for a BBC drama of Doctor Who’s length is £750,000 (although it normally ends up costing them a million after the budget it blown).

    They’ve said elsewhere they haven’t been given much extra for this, so it seemingly won’t be as much as the £1.5 million a drama of the special’s length “deserves”.

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 1:05pm

    Turn Left? That’s brilliant! And what about the 2-parter with the library that introduced River Song? All-time classic if you ask me!

    One of the most annoying things about the new series for me is the fact that there are so many crappy and / or instantly forgettable titles .I understand that not everything can be called something awe-inspiring like Image Of The Fendahl or The Horror Of Fang Rock, but surely they can do better than…. The Doctor Dances?!

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 12:53pm

    Azal…. can you really tell me with a straight face that you don’t like Blink, Gridlock or Human Nature with a straight face…?!

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 12:50pm

    Ah…. Now I would pigeonhole both those as flawed masterpieces. Both have magical moments, but overall, I find it hard to score either at over 50%, mostly due to dodgy acting and budgetary restrictions. Also I belong to the K9 haters club. The only story I really love that K9 had a significant part is is Warrior’s Gate, which managed to turn budgetary restrictions to its advantage in such and original and interesting way.

    I can still remember being utterly horrified the first time I saw that cliffhanger ending with “K9….destroy the Transduction Barrier” -CLASSIC!

    In defence of Invasion Of Time….it’s so much better than Armageddon Factor it’s frightening.

  • HornsOfAzal

    October 8th, 2013 - 12:41pm

    Ah I like Invasion of Time and Invisible enemy prefer em both to new Who…Odd that those Minyan robots from Underworld were almost resurrected in that Akhaten episode…..

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 12:40pm

    Oh, and Remembrance ain’t so bad either, lest we forget.

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 12:34pm

    I have heard a lot of people dissing Greatest Show over the years. Some people moan about the black drapes thing; others don’t like the fact that the Doctor patently hasn’t spent his whole life fighting the Gods of Rrrragnarrrok; others still don’t like the hippy bus stuff and the stereotype nerdy fan on the BMX bike…. And many other gripes too!

    Some people just like to whinge, I think. That’s as the McCoy era ever got in my opinion. I do like Survival and Curse Of Fenric, and – if I’m drunk enough – Battlefield and Ghostlight go down quite well too….but the rest of it I prefer not to think about for the most part.

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 12:29pm

    You just agreed with me, I think…? I also think Daemons is over-rated (again, I thought the book was better). Also love Fendahl though – the only other great story from season 15 (along with Fang Rock). Sunmakers not bad but again over-rated in my opinion. Would gladly swap Underworld for practically anything lost from the 60s!

  • HornsOfAzal

    October 8th, 2013 - 12:26pm

    Greatest Show gets bad press ?? I thought that was one people liked… ??

  • HornsOfAzal

    October 8th, 2013 - 12:24pm

    Now thats odd because Ive always thought that one classic series which is overrated is The Daemons…Image of the Fendahl is a far better ‘black magic’ themed story…..

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 12:23pm

    Levine takes himself very seriously….and love him or loathe him, his enthusiasm, conviction and commitment are infectious and inspiring. We all want this stuff to magically reappear and he is one of the few people who has actively done something to make our dreams come true. Yes, he rants and raves and makes a pratt of himself sometimes, but more power to him; he has a good heart and means well.

  • HornsOfAzal

    October 8th, 2013 - 12:19pm

    Why do people take Levine so seriously …….

  • HornsOfAzal

    October 8th, 2013 - 12:02pm

    Personally I think one or too people were made to look like buffoons earlier this year and they’re still trying to retain some semblance of credibility – although lord knows why – by keeping this ludicrous saga going on….

    I’d rather maintain the stance of the bemused cynic and have a laugh when this either all blows over and nothing turns up or be over the moon as I was when Underwater Menace and Galaxy 4 turned up – although I have to say the BBC want a RIGHT KICK UP THE BACKSIDE for holding the troughton episode back so long…..

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 11:59am

    I’m so with you on that one. I’ve always loved Time Monster, Planet Of The Daleks, Creature From The Pit, Timelash, Greatest Show In The Galaxy and several other stories that get a perennial bad press. Plus I always thought The Daemons and Deadly Assassin were a bit over-rated; despite being great, neither of them are as good as Pyramids Of Mars, Seeds Of Doom, or even Horror Of Fang Rock for me. At the end of the day it’s hard to find a classic Dr Who story that’s entirely without merit and it’s all down to personal preferences as to which One believes to be the best.

  • HornsOfAzal

    October 8th, 2013 - 11:57am

    Oh well you never know I still remember being astounded when all 39 episodes of Space Patrol turned up in the possession of its creator Roberta Leigh so you never know…..

  • booboo

    October 8th, 2013 - 11:38am

    I have no doubt something has been found, if only from the radio Times article, but for all we know its 2 very poor quality 5 min clips that they are going to stick on itunes so we can see them as its not worth doing anything else.

    Whatever is going it needs to be sorted, on i’ve seen some pretty hard hitting stuff on the internet the last few days.

  • HornsOfAzal

    October 8th, 2013 - 11:28am

    Ah you’ve changed your opinion and are now beginning to doubt anything has been found yourself BooBoo..

  • HornsOfAzal

    October 8th, 2013 - 11:25am

    Youre right it wouldnt do for us to agree on everything Im one of the few people who likes Time and the Rani especially the splendid scenes where the Tetrap attacks the 7th Doctor with its net gun in ep 1 and the Doctor is trapped into the Ranis brain reading device at the end of Part 3…

    Problem is there are one or two stories that certain persons seem to think we SHOULDN’T like and that automatically boosts their appeal to me….

  • CG

    October 8th, 2013 - 11:18am

    I think they meant DVDs instead of episodes.

  • booboo

    October 8th, 2013 - 9:07am

    whole thing is causing a lot of ill feeling around the net, ,lost of accusations flying around at a Time we should be celebrating if indeed anything as been found.

    not taking any notice of anything now until official word comes out

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 8:56am

    Seconded! I don’t like the sound of “espisodes”!

  • Nick

    October 8th, 2013 - 8:46am

    Anon…. When I said “multi-million dollar”, of course I don’t know the precise budgets for the current incarnation of the show, but one thing is for sure, pro rata, it’s a hell of a lot more than was spent on the show back in the 60s, which if I remember rightly was about £2000 per episode. You only have to look at how many names are shown in the end credits, all of whom are presumably being paid, to see how big the current show is by comparison to its ancestor.

    Horns of Azal…. I too take a very stern view of the new series. I have watched every episode at least 3 or 3 times. The Eccleston series didn’t impress me at all. The Smith episodes leave something to be desired too, in my opinion. But for me, probably two thirds of the Tennant material is absolutely wonderful. And there is absolutely nothing from the last eight years that is not ten times better than the McGann movie, which managed to win the dubious honour of being even worse than Time And The Rani, a singular feat I hoped and prayed would never come to pass. I watch Tomb Of The Cybermen and I think “Yeah, that’s okay, but it’s not as good as I imagined it would be when I read the book, and it’s certainly a disappointment following all the hype I’d been exposed to for so many years prior to and immediately after its discovery”. Just calling it like I see it. Personally I much prefer the Krotons or The Mind Robber as a complete story, and The Invasion for me beats all the other 60s cybermen shows hands down, even if it does have 2 eps missing.

    Wouldn’t do for us all to agree on everything would it? Life would be so boring if we did. I do like both the Pertwee Auton stories too, but they were such a disappointment to me when I first saw them back in 1986. I had read both books about ten times. They were my favourites, and I ached to see the original shows with every particle of my being. I feel the same way about Planet Of The Spiders. I did see that one on transmission and thought it was fantastic. Seeing it again in 1986 I had a rude awakening. But I still love all that Pertwee stuff. My memories of the original broadcasts are so wonderful that what I see now I see through an all-forgiving nostalgic lens I unfortunately can’t see the 60s eps through because I never saw them at the time. I can only assess them on their own merits as a grown up. The truth is that some of them are an awful lot better than others. But I still want the missing eps returned. All of them. And even my least wanted stories I will happily sit through five times in the first week to get my fix. We all love this show and we’re all very precious about it. If only 10 or 20 missing episodes turn up it will still be the best thing that’s ever happened to me in my whole life.