May 20th, 2013
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Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 2:09pmI don’t mean bigger as this is BIG but I mean a build up with more context not just a quick “he is known as storm, beast and Valeyard” oh and btw here’s the Valeyard – I think that’s a seed for the future
Dalek Smith
May 19th, 2013 - 2:04pmSTILL NOT GINGER!!!
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 2:04pmI think I’ve been blogging too long today as I keep repeating myself but either we go with:
Hurt = 12 and could be Valeyard or
Hurt = 9 and smith = 12 and we can look forward to Valeyard in future
I don’t think the moff would serve up the Valeyard now as only true whovians know who he is and the overriding idea of the new series has been the timewar – I think the Valeyard deserves a bigger build up
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 1:51pmIf Matt smith returns and is the now12th doctor then we can look forward to his turmoil of approaching end of his life cycle – the Valeyard does not have to be the doctor himself – just part of him like the watcher, dream lord etc – we know about the end at trensalore etc but who’s to say its not a potential new beginning 😉
sheepinafez
May 19th, 2013 - 1:41pmi have a beard now…beards are cool
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 1:36pm@mart249 – yes true she did say that – but its difficult to know with Moffat as he often twists words for his own ends as things never quite tie up with the artistic license he applies to time travel so anything is possible!;)
Moff if your reading – here’s a pitch for the next series (or some extended specials at least) if it does tie in with this (or not!) – no regeneration for Matt smith – take us on a back story from magann’s regeneration through time-war hurts adventures through to Ecclestone – the missing doctor’s time war season – give you time to see if smith wants to continue and work out how things unfold
Whovian11
May 19th, 2013 - 1:30pmI have read that Matt smith will be returning in 2014 as well but john hurt isnt the new doctor he is a old doctor (possibly the 8th) but he did things that were so bad that he isnt considered to be a doctor (just my theory)
Matt Tennant
May 19th, 2013 - 1:21pmI reckon he is one of the first incarnations of The Doctor, and carried out what ever deeds he did under his original name. He then chose the name The Doctor as a promise, as a form of healing, setting himself apart and making amends for what he once did wrong. Just a theory!
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 1:19pmGo back to the nightmare in silver episode. Look at the scene in the doctors head when he’s arguing with the cyber leader. Pictures of The doctors incarnations flicker through the background. There is a pause…. A black spot, just briefly….. Make of that what you will….
Jess
May 19th, 2013 - 1:08pmwill matt smith be returning in 2014 as i have read up he is. but now i am confused why this john hurt is the doctor? someone help lol
mart249
May 19th, 2013 - 12:49pm@Dread – Clara said that she saw all 11 of his regenerations. Unless they plan on killing The Doctor at this regeneration and she would have said how the doctor died or said something about his future and not just stop at regeneration 11, unless they holding back possible storylines for The Hurt Doctors storyline, either at this regeneration or in whatever regeneration that is maybe planned that he fully dies, she would have tried to save him and also stop him from doing the act of what The Doctor says The Hurt Doctor did thats not in the name of The Doctor.
Deffinetly its all up to more storylines from Moffat to inform us more and give us a bigger picture of things to come
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 12:41pmAlso the Valeyard was the dark side of his personality out for himself – not a magnanimous sort who would do bad things for good reason
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 12:32pmBut the Doctor said it was a name that we “give ourselves”, as if to hide from the past, so I think its either the 9th, but more likely the Ground Zero doctor, before the 1st regeneration. I can see your reasoning behind your assumption and you could indeed be right, but we know only Moffat knows and it wouldn’t be like him to throw a spanner into the engine!
BTW I really would like it to be the Valeyard!
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 12:28pmIf the time stream was all of the one person’s life with many names (not just that of one of those names) then Clara would have seen the future ones as well – I think the Valeyard will take more building up to than the brief mention by GI – and will be part of future series story arcs of what happens when a timelord nears the end of his regeneration cycles becoming desperate for life (e.g. Master, Rassilon)
GameChicken
May 19th, 2013 - 12:26pmNo no no, the doctors name is definitely not john hurt, they put that in cause otherwise people would be confused thinking ‘am I supposed to know who this is? Have I missed something’. Unless comically the doctor gets bored at the end of his life and decides to become an actor, changing his name to john hurt, and letting aliens kill him for a change. But really, come on, that ain’t happening. The doctor was not a Timelord, coming from ghallifreigh where everyone has time lord names being called John (although he does call himself john Smith but that’s just a human front)
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 12:09pmIf this does happen (it may not as I am often happily surprised at the Moff’s leftfield payoffs) and there is a resolution to the timewar story wrapped in a big bow – he may tie it in to all the recent series to join up the dots – one thing that has bugged me was when Rassilon and the other time lords appeared to doctor and master to break out of the timelock – there were 2 kneeling figures – his mum(?) and another who we never saw the face of but I always thought resembled Matt Smith – it would be nice to know who they actually were
mart249
May 19th, 2013 - 12:01pmListen to the Great Intelligence and what he said and it will give seemingly a big hint.
Welcome to the resting place of the cruel tyrant, of the slaughterer of 10 billion and the vessil of the final darkness. Welcome to the Tomb of the Doctor
It was a minor skirmish by the Doctor’s blood-soaked standard, not exactly the Time War, but still enough to finish him. In the end, it was too much for the old man … tell that to the leader of the Sycorax, or Solomon the trader, or the Cybermen or the Daleks. The Doctor lives his life in darker hues, day upon day, and he will have other names before the end: the Storm, the Beast, the Valeyard.
So in the future he has another war to fight and its not the time war, so is therefore in The Doctors future and that he gets darker in his future. Clara sees his past to current lives and not his future. So there are 2 things that point to The Hurt Doctor being a Future doctor and maybe The Valeyard. The Doctor also says The Hurt Doctor didnt do the
things in the name of The Doctor. If it was a past regeneration The Doctor would be disgraced of himself and going along with the current story line, wouldnt currently call himself The Doctor. Since he is The Doctor it cant be anything that involves his regeneration or past regenerations and again leads us to a future regeneration or The Valeyard. There is also what The GI says the vessil of the final darkness (which is in the tomb) and leads us to The Doctor being the darkest form of himself in his final regeneration. Which again points us to The Doctors future.
In the episode Hide. Emma warns Clara not to trust the Doctor, that there is a sliver of ice in his heart. This along with what The GI says about the doctor, that he has a dark side to him that he keeps hidden and if you know your Doctor Who you will know who The Valeyard is and how this points towards The Hurt Doctor being The Valeyard. At the end of season 5, something takes control of the Tardis and River couldnt take control back. Only The Doctor and River can fly. The Tardis and maybe someone else they teach? but more likely couldnt a future Doctor (Hurt Doctor) fly The Tardis? and if River showed The Doctor to use the blue stabilisers, then The Doctor is still learning how to control it and wouldnt a future Doctor know how to do that? The similarity of the names Whisper Men to The Silence, both of which want to kill The Doctor and The Valeyard did try to have The Doctor executed. So maybe all of this Silence and Whisper Men are storylines linked to The Valeyard.
There is some evil in all of us, Doctor. Even you. The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation.
The Master to the Sixth Doctor in The Trial of a Time Lord – The Ultimate Foe
Its possible it could be a future regeneration but to me is most likely The Valeyard. I lean more towards it being The Valeyard due to all that has happened and said in the series fitting in with the past mythology of The Valeyard. If anyone has any other ideas i would like to read as this is only a theory of mine concluded by the past of The Doctor 🙂
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 11:50amOr to prevent history being rewritten again somehow and ensuring Hurt’s destiny of finishing the timewar – despite the atrocity it was still a neccessity that maybe took 3doctors rather than 1
Dalek Smith
May 19th, 2013 - 11:47amtrue but i shouldn’t worry about it as that was RTD this is Steven Moffat
droney
May 19th, 2013 - 11:46amMy idea he is going to be in the 50 anniversary and 11th and 10th doctor are going to team up to stop him from saying his name.
Heapy1967
May 19th, 2013 - 11:40amPossibly… good call! But you have hit the nail on the head… only Moffat knows whats going on so time will tell. All hail the Grand Moff!
Heapy1967
May 19th, 2013 - 11:37amActually it was a reference to him not being the only Time Lord left… not the Master specifically.
booboo
May 19th, 2013 - 11:35amno idea
66
May 19th, 2013 - 11:33amBooboo, I’ve heard rumours John Hurt is going to be in Series 8. Is this true?
Dalek Smith
May 19th, 2013 - 11:31amthat was a reference to the master
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 11:29amI’ve posted these as replies but my theory is If this is “time war” 9th Doctor then all of his incarnation could be timelocked which is why Clara did not know him – whatever he did to end the time war may have forced regeneration into Ecclestone meaning only that fleeting shadow of the timewar doctor was in the time stream – they have styled him as pretty haggard (sorry lord hurt) and with all the other speculation about Ecclestone not being in the anniversary could fit with this and be another moffat bluff (he may pop up at the end for the regeneration?;) ) – and now we are even closer to seeing what happens to the doctor in future series when he reaches his maximum number of regenerations (possibly with some Valeyard stories now that seed has been sown in this series)
Heapy1967
May 19th, 2013 - 11:23amRemember the Face of Boe said “your are not alone”….
Dread
May 19th, 2013 - 11:22amIf this is “time war” 9th Doctor then all of his incarnation could be timelocked which is why Clara did not know him – whatever he did to end the time war may have forced regeneration into Ecclestone meaning only that fleeting shadow of the timewar doctor was in the time stream – they have styled him as pretty haggard (sorry lord hurt) and with all the other speculation about Ecclestone not being in the anniversary could fit with this and be another moffat bluff (he may pop up at the end for the regeneration?;) ) – and now we are even closer to seeing what happens to the doctor in future series when he reaches his maximum number of regenerations
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 11:20amI think that the doctor has had lots of incarnations but the 11 astablished ones are the ones that went under the name doctor
Heapy1967
May 19th, 2013 - 11:19amYou may be right, you may not. However, if he is, why is DT and Rose on their way back for the 50th?