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Series Eight Story Arc Who is Missy – Revealed
In the mysterious world of the Nethersphere, plans have been drawn up. Missy is about to come face to face with the Doctor, and an impossible choice is looming.
Harold Saxon
November 3rd, 2014 - 4:12pmLoved the big reveal,i think this version of the master is very good,i can accept her!
Lee
November 3rd, 2014 - 2:01pmI liked the homage to Troutons, Invasion but the rest of it was pants. Maybe the Doctor will regenerate into Rowan Atkinson next. That would tie in with the gender swapping premise at least when he finally turns into Joanna Lumley.
Lee
November 3rd, 2014 - 12:27amI’ve been a DW fan since I was a kid. Watched every available episode at least 3 times over by now, probably more. Since Steven Moffat took over the series has gone from bad to worse. It’s not the acting particularly but the storylines that are just so groan inducingly inept. Oh the moon’s a great big egg. You’d think the Silurians would have noticed some great space thing coming to lay an egg and not thought it was a huge asteroid on a collision course with Earth. No continuity with established Who. The little hints about turning the Doctor into a woman have been rife and it’s ridiculous. How could any society exist where you marry a person of one gender only for them to swap to the opposite gender at some time down the line? It would be total chaos. Divorce rates would be sky high. Who would get custody of the kids, the mum or the dad/mum whatever? Would the original mum then change into a bloke, a mum/dad? The CSA would’ve had a field day. Perhaps the Master still has some of his abilities left from being the Keeper of Traken and merged with a woman like he did with Tremas, Nyssas dad?
Dalek The Supreme
November 3rd, 2014 - 2:34pmDoctor Who has NEVER been big with continuity. For example, in The Daleks, it was established that the Daleks gradually mutated into what they became, but in Genesis of the Daleks, their origins are changed, and it’s a mad scientist who genetically engineers them.
Lee
November 7th, 2014 - 3:06pmGranted in the case of the Daleks there’s been a bit of lateral thinking involved in their origins. What happened to the Dals? Were the Dals the remnants of Kaled survivors after the destruction of the dome or the ancestors of the Kaleds, thus, in a round about way evolving into the Daleks? Who knows. The Thals that Hartnels Doctor encountered only had sketchy records and had been wandering around Skaro for years. Maybe Thals and Dals were just Tribe names? All I’m saying is they had already re-established the Silurian history through previous episodes of the current (modern)Doctor Who, so not only is an egg laying creature from outer space in direct contradiction to original DW its also contradicting the current series. That kind of writing, with all due respect, is just plain stupid.
100,000BC
November 7th, 2014 - 4:39pmPerhaps the egg/moon had already been laid and was left for whatever reason floating in the middle of space, seemingly an asteroid to whoever could monitor it, and it eventually came into the orbit of the Earth.
And we don’t know what time lord society is like, maybe they are only expected to stay with a partner for one regeneration. Maybe they don’t have partners as such, or maybe this gender-defying regeneration is a result of the Master’s biological messing, body-swapping, slime-snake-morphing and general all-round abuse of his own body.
Lee
November 10th, 2014 - 12:40amWell OK the moon is a giant egg of some space fairing dragon thing that gestates for millions of years and is born as a fully-grown adult egg laying dragon thing. And the egg it lays isn’t polished like a billiard ball it’s covered in exactly the same craters etc as the previous egg that it hatched from.
In 2039 the Mexicans build a moon base and even though in 2049 there is no space flight/astronauts or space program of any kind by 2050 the Germans have launched their 10th mission to the moon. Though obviously it’s the new moon/egg. By the mid 2050’s there’s a weather control station built. (Which gets attacked by Cybermen in 2070). Oh and some time before she lands on Mars in 2058 Adelaide Brooke lands on the Moon. So in 9 years we go from no space program and no trained astronauts to building a base on Mars. Yep that’s totally credible.
As for the question of Time Lords or should I say Gallifreyans concept of relationships. The Doctor happily leaves Leela (and K9) to stay on Gallifrey to be in a relationship with Andred. The Doctor has a granddaughter and has been engaged three times we know of, granted once was by accident to an Aztec woman, so the Doctor at least and of course Andred have some concept of “partners”.
Now back onto the original gripe, the Master throughout all his lives has shown little more than contempt to every woman he’s met, even Time Ladies like the Rani, not to mention his wife, so why would he chose to regenerate into something that he would feel is inferior, to himself? Doesn’t make any sense at all.
Lee
November 15th, 2014 - 1:07pmRe the engagements thing, it was 4 times not 3 I forgot about him accidentally getting engaged to Marilyn Monroe at a party, said he was off to get married but don’t know if he followed through on that one. So he definately married Elisabeth the 1st and River Song. Presumably, given he’d had family on Gallifrey when he left with his grandaughter Susan he had been married there too, or whatever their equivalent is. Or at least in a relationship of some sort. Unless of course, Jenny,his biological accident daughter, somehow goes back in time to Gallifrey and has a daughter called Susan. Now that would be an intersting plot twist. So I think it is a reasonable assumption that time Lord society has simularities to our own. Unless of course he’s just doing it to “fit in”.
ollie
November 2nd, 2014 - 8:29pmI thought it was Susan initially. Angry at being left behind by her grandfather. Not sure all fans would have got that it was the rani – only die hard fans – and it’s not like she was a truly memorable character.
Anonymous
November 2nd, 2014 - 9:11pmBut Susan was his granddaughter… That’d be very disturbing has she been calling the Doctor her boyfriend, and she kisses him. It would make no sense, nor would it be right for Missy to have been Susan.
Anonymous
November 2nd, 2014 - 9:26pmOh yeah… I forgot the kissing!
yognot
November 3rd, 2014 - 6:17pmI thought she could have been Susan’s grandMOTHER
daleksean
November 2nd, 2014 - 8:20pmMy jaw dropped when the master was revealed (or is it the mistress now) but somehow im disappointed I hoped it would of been The Rani.
Anonymous
November 2nd, 2014 - 8:01pmIsnt this evidence of Gallifrey still existing if the Master is still alive?
Anonymous
November 3rd, 2014 - 12:00amGallifrey still exists, we already know about that, however there is a gap in the story in The End of Time, so it is possible the Master was never “sent back” to Gallifrey in the first place (namely because he was never there to be “sent back” in the first place, so it’s possible he just slipped out the door while the Doctor was passed out and Wilf conveniently forgot to mention it).
Drw
November 2nd, 2014 - 5:41pmAnyone see the books on the shelf? One is “hyper scape body swap tickets”. Any ideas??
Drw
November 2nd, 2014 - 5:42pmIn Clara’s place at start amongst post it’s.
Handbot10
November 2nd, 2014 - 5:46pmIt is a refernece to the BBC proms, The 11th doctor and clara used them to get into the albert hall yet it had side affects, making the doctor bald.
RUSTY
November 2nd, 2014 - 1:12pmthe rani was abandoned but the master was NOT
Anonymous
November 2nd, 2014 - 3:15pmi ( while watching it ) thought she was the rani
Dalek The Supreme
November 2nd, 2014 - 5:50pmThe Doctor didn’t exactly help him in The End of Time, did he?
Drwho101
November 2nd, 2014 - 6:50pmThis could be the master meeting out of order with the doctor,it’s moffat after all,the doctor could abandon the master in the future some time
Anonymous
November 2nd, 2014 - 7:19pmPersonally think its the master after last of the time lords, after he refused to regen the doctor cremated him so maybe he appeared in heaven? and this is how this happened. if that’s the case Missy wouldn’t even recall End of time because that master was a copy
The Moffat Paradox
November 2nd, 2014 - 11:35amAs far as I am aware Timelords/Timeladies switching genders has never been established before as premise and other than if that means the Doctor could also switch genders that would appear to have certain implications.
Does that mean Gallifreyians could in a number of regenerations be fathers/mothers,grandfathers/grandmothers,uncles or aunts? Unless something else still at work is yet to be revealed here.
The Surgeon
November 2nd, 2014 - 12:30pmThe Corsair did it loads.
The Moffat Paradox
November 2nd, 2014 - 1:15pmThat character is referred to in “Shada” which has never been made as an actual official TV episode and as being a “big strapping bloke” killed by House in “The Doctors Wife” at last regeneration.
So I take the view that the TV series is ALWAYS canon and that aint canon until we see it done/explained in canon.
The Doctir and Handles
November 2nd, 2014 - 1:18pmWould be a bit weird for a gallifreyan kid of his dad turned into a mum..
The Moffat Paradox
November 2nd, 2014 - 2:48pmOr indeed vice versa.LOL imagine the sort of conversations if we could a Gallifrey version of “Coronation Street”:”I used to like you before you regenerated into a woman.”
Obsie
November 2nd, 2014 - 5:15pmIf The Doctor changed gender what would Susan call the character after 50 years?
Dalek The Supreme
November 2nd, 2014 - 5:51pmThe Doctor mentioned that his friend, the Corsair, was a girl several times in The Doctor’s Wife.
The Moffat Paradox
November 2nd, 2014 - 7:01pmWill watch the episode again whenever but was probably thinking at the time that was all silly in all the dialogue there was about the Cosair and wouldn’t be done in practice for the can of worms it might open up for long term series credibility.
Moffat just couldn’t make Missy the new Rani or something else altogether!
Anonymous
November 3rd, 2014 - 12:03amIt’s definitely stated in The Doctor’s Wife that the Corsair was a woman at one point (and just to point out, The Corsair had never been mentioned before that, definitely not in Shada).
The point is also repeated in The Night of the Doctor where the Sisterhood of Karn offer the Doctor a female form for his ninth incarnation.
If you think it is weird or disturbing, it gets worse because it happens in clownfish in real life… so Nemo’s dad should have been his mum by that point in the movie…
The Moffat Paradox
November 3rd, 2014 - 8:53pmDoes say in Tardis Core Wiki that The Corsair and his switching of genders is discussed by the fourth Doctor and Rommana in the Gareth Roberts novelisation of Shada.So wether Niel Gaiman in writing The Doctor’s Wife got this from that book or not which itself is from a never made into episodes script by Douglas Adams for the original series is for others to verify.
In “The Brilliant Book” Neil Gaiman gives a backdground to the character saying 7 of his 9 regerations were male.So we might speculate that transgender regeneration IS possible but rare.(Assuming a Gallifreyan has any direct influence over this.)It`s maybe also possible the Sisterhood of Karn could have helped The Corsair switch gender which wouldn’t make them “conventional regenerations”.Just as the 8th Doctor didn’t want a convential regeneration so he could become the War Doctor.
Some explanation of how The Master exactly became Missy and wether the events protrayed in “The End Of Time” have been erased by what happened in the TDOTD would be desirable in any event.As well as wether the Doctor is really that phased by this switching of gender.
Lee
November 14th, 2014 - 1:33pmMales have X-Y chromosomes. Females X-X chromosomes. Comparison of human DNA has shown male DNA to be 99.9% identical to other male DNA. Similarly female-to-female DNA comparison shows the same 99.9%. However, males and female human DNA is only 98.5% genetically identical. That DNA is incorporated into every cell of the body.
The Doctor, (according to the movie) is half human on his mothers’ side. So his genetic makeup must have some part human DNA. Regeneration, as the name implies is the regeneration of existing DNA, not the replacement of it. Therefore if born male it follows it is not possible to regenerate into a female without the addition at some point of the female chromosone from some outside source. Unless of course Gallifreyans carry both sets of chromosomes and can somehow switch one set on or off at the moment of regeneration, which seems a bit implausible to me.
The Doctor however has exhibited absolutely no control over his regeneration process, certainly not the degree of control Romana seemed to possess, picking different bodies every few second before deciding on a copy of Princess Astra, maybe because of his half human DNA. So I would say that the Doctor hasn’t got the ability to become female without assistance, Sisterhood of Karn for instance.
The five doctors
November 2nd, 2014 - 11:11amHeres my theroy on what the delete button means. Danny died on real earth but in parralel earth he is still alive so my theroy is that the delete button means that the cybermen are parralel earth cybermen and can delete and so can come and delete danny but in paralel earth danny is unharmed so then clara can go to parralel earth and live with danny so that is my theroy
The Moffat Paradox
November 2nd, 2014 - 12:35pmThink that its far simpler than that.The dead’s consciousness goes into a receptacle (the actual Nethersphere?) the Doctor recognised as Time Lord technology.When Danny’s consciousness is in it he’s being asked to by pressing delete to consent to his consciousness being downloaded and altered-as a Cyberman in this universe.
Thats what I think Missy/The Master meant by saying why didn’t anyone think of creating Cybermen from Cyberspace before.
matt9982
November 2nd, 2014 - 2:17pmIf he presses delete it will delete all his emotions making him ready to be upgrade to a Cyberman.
Anonymous
November 2nd, 2014 - 9:34pmGood theory ideas
DocEke
November 2nd, 2014 - 11:00amOh, I hoped missy was a female Archie from balamory.
Anonymous
November 2nd, 2014 - 10:30pmOr PC plod
CaptainJack2000
November 2nd, 2014 - 9:54amHere’s hoping John Simm will return next episode for like a flashback to show the regeneration…
Doctor Hugh
November 2nd, 2014 - 10:20amthat would be unreal
paul c
November 2nd, 2014 - 4:28amWell i didn’t see that one coming! i know there are comments about how can the master now be female? lets not forget a timelord can be whoever he/she wants to be! don’t forget the Corsair actually swapped genders too!
I think this new version of the master/ missy and yes im confused now… will bring a new sinister edge to a classic character!
I think i need a nice lie down now! 🙂
Liason Ice
November 2nd, 2014 - 4:15amIt bugs me that I’ve become one of those annoying people who complain about every episode but Moffat has really backed me into a corner this year
Dalek The Supreme
November 2nd, 2014 - 5:53pmTrust me, I feel even stranger. I’ve found fault with almost every episode this season, even ones I mostly enjoyed, and have gotten tired of Steven Moffat, even though he was in charge for the Eleventh Doctor, who was My Doctor.
Harold Saxon
November 2nd, 2014 - 3:12amDelightful , glad he/she is back ! Delicious episode and good cliff hanger
Obsie
November 2nd, 2014 - 1:55amI assume we are going to be told how Missy/The Master has access to Time Lord technology since they are lost at the moment somewhere. If so, where’s his/her TARDIS?
CJ
November 2nd, 2014 - 8:37amI think it was St Pauls Cathedral
Obsie
November 2nd, 2014 - 10:12amThen how’s it managed to fit round it, Missy gained a TARDIS, unless from Gallifrey in a pocket universe, escaped and left the Time Lords still stuck there? I hope there’s some kind of explanation. Anymore ideas guys?
Drw
November 2nd, 2014 - 5:16pmWe never found out who owned the tardis on top of James cordon’s flat. Maybe that was the master’s?
Dalek The Supreme
November 2nd, 2014 - 5:53pmIt was implied that the TARDIS on top of Craig’s flat was the Silence’s from The Lodger.
yognot
November 3rd, 2014 - 6:19pmIn time flight his tardis appeared around a Concorde and became a Concorde
MrHaloWho
November 2nd, 2014 - 12:37amWhen Missy said “You left me,” I thought it was Susan. I then wondered why she was kissing him and thought of Romana. Why would the Master say the Doctor loved him (/her)?
Obsie
November 2nd, 2014 - 10:13amI thought it was Romana for a few seconds gone barmy and seeking revenge on The Doctor.
ColinB
November 2nd, 2014 - 4:14pmI thought that too before switching to the rani.
Rob
November 1st, 2014 - 11:36pmI’ve just remembered when the master was last in DW and he died but at the end a woman’s hand picked up his ring. At the time I thought it was Saxons wife but now we know.
Big poo
November 1st, 2014 - 11:43pmThat was all explained in The End of Time.
Anonymous
November 2nd, 2014 - 10:21amYou don’t understand do you? It was the woman in the prison. Everything about that was explained in the end of time!
yognot
November 3rd, 2014 - 6:27pmThough that is still a good theory…
yognot
November 3rd, 2014 - 6:28pmUnless it was missy attempting to bring back him/herself
Anonymous
November 1st, 2014 - 11:26pmWell, when did the doctor leave the master? He left Romana, I mean, the master’s good now. What caused him/her to regenerate?
starshipalaska
November 1st, 2014 - 11:39pmMy explanation (not sure if its 100% correct):
In the End Of Time, the Master sacrificed himself to defeat the Time Lords and send them back into the Time War to burn in the final moments. However it was revealed in the Day of the Doctor that Gallifrey was never actually destroyed: only removed from time somewhere. Therefore even before this episode aired we knew that the Master was alive somewhere with them. Hence, the Doctor also had this knowledge, but hasn’t yet found Gallifrey, so according the Master ‘left him there’. No idea what caused him to regenerate. 🙂
wouldyoulikeajellybaby
November 2nd, 2014 - 6:45amDoctor skarosa could be omega the founder of gallifrey and i would like to see Missy/master in her tardis but im big on skarosa theory.
CJ
November 2nd, 2014 - 7:50amKnowing the Master he would of stole a set of regenerations…
Anonymous
November 2nd, 2014 - 11:33amNo need, CJ, he was resurrected by the Timelords at the beginning of the Time War meaning he still has 10 (I think) left
Drw
November 2nd, 2014 - 5:21pmIsn’t the original master dead? John Simms version died. Then using his ring etc a new master was resurrected by the woman in the prison. Technically this master went back to gallifrey. So is missy some how a regeneration of the master who died? (Maybe after the ring was taken) or a regeneration of the master who returned to gallifrey?
yognot
November 3rd, 2014 - 6:24pmThough we should remember the master IS insane sooo yeah.
Sebatron
November 1st, 2014 - 11:12pmSteven Moffat you fantastic GENIUS!!!
This episode was amazing, and I screamed at the reveal!
The Master is back, or is it Missy? 🙂
Bring on Next Week!!
what just happened on who!
November 1st, 2014 - 11:04pmthe master (missy) kissed the doctor
The five doctors
November 2nd, 2014 - 9:40pmLike TheHostProdouctions said in his episode review on YouTube that was Jon Pertwee and Rodger Geldago , David Tennant and John Sim and Derek Jacobi and Paul McGann and Eric Roberts and Peter Davidson , Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy with Anthony Ainley at one point ( not physical or anything like that just in previous regrnarations.)
yognot
November 3rd, 2014 - 6:24pmAnd all the fan fics come true
The five doctors
April 11th, 2015 - 9:59pmJust think all the fangirls ( no offence) !!!
The five doctors
April 11th, 2015 - 10:01pm*Delgado
Sir doctor
November 1st, 2014 - 10:26pmI’ve just dipped into the future. And back again just seen the new master and the carthdrall is her tardis
MrHaloWho
November 2nd, 2014 - 12:38amI think the red phone box is her TARIDS.
wouldyoulikeajellybaby
November 2nd, 2014 - 6:46amWhere/
Matthew Nelson
November 1st, 2014 - 10:24pmI was expecting the Rani but how can a women be the Master?
I am too confused right now.
Sebatron
November 1st, 2014 - 10:55pmWhen a Time Lord regenerates, it can be any gender, no matter which one they had before
Ian
November 2nd, 2014 - 3:39pmGender regeneration, what a load of cobblers.
An insult to all previous actors.
simon w
November 1st, 2014 - 10:14pmWow good story. I was talking to a friend and another who fan acouple of weeks ago who I thought Missy was and I sayed to him I think she is a femail version of the master and he sayed I dont think so. I sayed the master could regemerate into a woman at some point in time so could the doctor he was no the master will alwas be a woman. He has egg on his face now. lol Hope next weeks final is going to be a good one.
WFK DVD Collector 14
November 1st, 2014 - 9:51pmI can’t believe it! What a shock! I thought it was the Rani right up until it was revealed!
Still though… Could Moffat just have fooled everyone?
Michael
November 1st, 2014 - 10:08pmi was well dissapointed the master was redeemed and moffat ruined it
Anonymous
November 2nd, 2014 - 10:23amI agree Michael!
Anonymous
November 1st, 2014 - 9:25pmHere I am from the future, and as we all know now it’s. ..
Well I wont spoil it but lets just say that Steven Moffat is a liar.
Anonymous
November 2nd, 2014 - 10:23amYep
Ian
November 1st, 2014 - 8:14pmNot the Master, not the Rani.
Either Clara or Romana – final guess
But still have the nagging Valyard in my head due to the blatant name drop in the previous series.
Anonymous
November 1st, 2014 - 10:19pmLol!
LordofWHO
November 1st, 2014 - 7:52pmFinal guess of a new version of the Valeyard
the astronaut of death
November 1st, 2014 - 7:17pmok my final guess in the master
Anonymous
November 1st, 2014 - 9:28pmWell your right.
CJ
November 1st, 2014 - 6:30pmI’m sticking with someone else