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The Final Moments of The Name of the Doctor
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The Geordiemaxter
May 19th, 2013 - 12:10amIM not saying hurt is the 12th or 13th doctor …hes a future doctor the 36th for all I care the writters said they wouldn’t be only 12 doctors I quote ‘we wont stop because of a episode that happened 30 years ago’. Also att smiths doctor said he could regenarate 507 times
The good present doctor (smith) vs The evil future doctor (hurt) would be a gd 50 year special
whofan4ever
May 19th, 2013 - 8:28amHe said that regenerate thing as a joke and if we think to when river gave him her regenerations she had left then he has + another 11 regenerations but in angels take manhatten the doctor used a regeneration to fix rivers wrist
The Geordiemaxter
May 19th, 2013 - 12:00amAlso, people think hes the 9th doctor
BUT
If that was the case and he would have destroyed gallifrey but we know that happened so it doesnt make the present day any different (IT JUST CONFUSES US MORE) from how it is but if it was a future doctor it would affect the present day and would feature in the 50 year special
HOWEVER if he is the 9th doctor the 59 year episode would be a JOKE as it basically just tells us about the time war and would be a waste of a episode
Great
May 18th, 2013 - 11:54pmWhat’s your thoughts on john hurt and the episode Boo Boo. I didn’t see any Paul making me think its John
Daniel
May 19th, 2013 - 7:40amFrom what we saw of Hurt’s costume is had similarities to the 8th’s?
sephy
May 18th, 2013 - 11:53pmGuys, Moffat gave a statement on all this before this episode was even released. As part of the 50th he’s bring in Hurt to play the part of the 9th doctor, a regeneration that The Doctor forgot, or supressed the memory of. Which sucks in itself since that means;
Hurt = 9
Chris = 10
Tennant = 11
Matt = 12
And a the very beginning, it was said that The Doctor could only have 12 regenerations. Can you imagine being Moffat? “My name is Steven Moffat – And I ended Doctor Who!”
Big D
May 19th, 2013 - 9:49amBut isnt he already doing that? I mean, look at viewing figures. Also on a personal note, as a ‘Whovian’ from the very beginning and having attended many conferences/festivals etc, I know an awful lot who have cast aside their scarves and sonic screwdrivers in despair and frustration at trhe way it has gone.
The Geordiemaxter
May 18th, 2013 - 11:50pmMy super smart friend, thinks that john hurt is the 12th doctor (the last according to a episode 30 years ago) that does something so bad he can no longer call himself the doctor…hence matt smith quoting ‘A name is like a promise…he (john hurt) broke that promise. Saying he stopped calling himself the doctor…which implies he must be a future doctor
Personly I prefere the endings that some evil alien tries to take over the world and not some cliff hanger that causes your brain too implode
PLEASE reply your oppinion on my friends theory
Sam Orme
May 18th, 2013 - 11:55pmMy theory is that he could b dr number 8 and 1/2 or dr number 9 but because he broke the promise, he regenerated into christopher’s dr and christopher’s dr didnt want him 2 b included in a regeneration
that’s my teory, it may ot b true
Don
May 18th, 2013 - 11:55pmhow can matt smith’s doctor (11th doctor according to your friends theory) know the 12th doctor from the future if matt smith’s doctor is from the past?
drjakeyoung
May 18th, 2013 - 11:55pmno, 13 is the limit. (according to the classic series, but i think they will just ignore that rule.)
The Geordiemaxter
May 19th, 2013 - 12:04amDon, the doctor is a time traveler so technically he could find out what he does in the future …its like if I could travel time I could find out what I look like in the future
No, 8
May 19th, 2013 - 12:17amHas it occurred to anyone that Hurt is playing the part of an older 8th Doctor, the role originally played by Paul McGann? We never saw the regeneration from McGann to Eccleston, and it was the 8th Doctor who committed “genocide” during the time war. I doubt the producers would ever show us a future incarnation of the Doctor, as this means they’d forever have this version hanging over their heads…We’ll only ever see the present and the past Doctors.
Don
May 19th, 2013 - 12:24amTechnically yes he can go and visit himself but then if he were to do that the whole point of river song knowing his future and always using the cathchphrase “spoilers” against the doctor would then seem pointless… i think the whole point of her knowing more than the doctor and using that against him shows that he doesn’t know what lies ahead?
Dannyboy
May 19th, 2013 - 12:48amEveryone is hanging on the idea that the doctor can only regenerate 12 times according to an episode older than me and forgetting that in the episode “Lets kill Hitler” when river song poisons the doctor then realises that she loves him she gives him all of her regeneration energy then that would give him all of her future regenerations meaning that he will have at least another (excluding her 1st regeneration)10 regenerations.. so it could be a future doctor…. going back to an episode “last of the time lords” when the doctor is facing “the master” they have a discussion about choosing names… I believe that the new guy will almost certainly be a past “doctor” as the doctors name is a part of his past and it is hidden.. then maybe this will show him before he “chooses” his name “Doctor”
anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 7:01amAccording to several episodes, the Doctor wouldn’t know a future regeneration of himself. “spoilers!” But, some people have said Hurt might be the Valeyard. I did some research, since I am too young to have watched the classic series, and the Valeyard is an evil amalgamation of the Doctor himself. It is stated that he occurs “somewhere between 12th and 13th regeneration”, according to an episode of the 6th doctor, “the Ultimate Foe”.
Also, Simeon states in “The Name of the Doctor”, at 23 minutes into the episode, “the doctor will have other names. Storm, Beast, Valeyard.” It is also stated in the classic series that since the 6th doctor met the Valeyard, and has knowledge of him: “The memory of the Sixth Doctor becomes increasingly associated with the Valeyard in the Seventh Doctor’s mind, causing the past five Doctors to ‘lock’ the Sixth Doctor’s memory away for fear of what he might become.” Therefore, when 11 says “he’s me… I didn’t say he was the Doctor” makes total sense. That would also explain why his face has never shown up during the database flashbacks, and why Clara didn’t know him.
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 9:47pmThe Valeyard hasn’t had enough information revealed yet. I wasn’t born until 15 years after the Valeyard was revealed, but I know he is an evil part of the Doctor between his 12th and 13th incarnations. To reveal him would be a huge deal, particularly after only one mention in 30 years and 15 seasons. I have no doubt he’ll be bought back, but now is too soon.
Erin
May 18th, 2013 - 11:47pmI am also very confused. But he couldn’t be the 13th Doctor because The Doctor can only regenerate 12 times. Meaning if John Hurt is the 9th Doctor, Matt Smith will be the last Doctor. If that’s true, I don’t think Matt Smith is good enough to be the last one, I love him and all but he shouldn’t be ‘The Last Doctor’.
I have no theory, so I guess I just have to wait and see.
sephy
May 18th, 2013 - 11:56pmIf Matt’s the 12th, that would mean he regenerated 11 times? Not 12. Meaning that unless they find a way to get around the whole 12 regenerations thing, there should be 1 more doctor after Matt.
anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 5:45amIf the Doctor can regenerate 12 times, that means there would be 13 Doctors. Simply math, people. First Doctor was born, then regenerated for the 1st time into the second Doctor, and so on… leaving the 12th regeneration into the 13th Doctor.
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 5:59amThere was already another dr from the bbc animated series played by Richard e grant. Aparantly he played a version of the ninth dr in scream of the shalka so maybe the ninth dr was split into 2 or even 3 with John hurt being one of them
Don
May 18th, 2013 - 11:45pmI like all the theories on how John Hurt might be the 9th doctor and how Matt Smith is then the 12th but i think we are forgetting that Clara just went and saw all the doctors and if you listen to what she says…
Clara : But i never saw that one. I saw all of you. Eleven faces, all of them you. You’re the 11th doctor.
Doctor Who: I said he was me i never said he was The Doctor.
So how come Clara didn’t see him?
dean
May 19th, 2013 - 1:30amIf she went through the doctors timeline looking for the doctor and counting the “doctor’s” then she would never see hurt as the 9th doctor as although he’s the same person he’s not the doctor as it was stated, implying that she would and could only count 11 doctors dislike the idea that he could be the valyard as his previous incarnation on tv shows no remorse and being the great actor that hurt is he showed a depth of emotions in his facial expression that I haven’t seen in years on screen.
Hand ps if he is the valyard it’s always possibility that at some point the doctor is going to have to leave his own timeline and concourse in whovian fashion once the exit has been made clear the valyard will know the exit…but hope he’s the 9th
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 9:53pmAlso, if the Doctor that John Hurt is gonna play is the 8th Doctor after he’s ended the Time War and committed genocide, the meeting may take place after the Time War. The entire war was time locked, meaning nobody could get in or out of the war. Whether this applies to the Doctor’s timestream is debatable, but it may mean Clara couldn’t visit the Doctor Hurt plays.
Doctor PSY
May 18th, 2013 - 10:48pmHi,
I’m a little bit confused with what is going on, can someone explain it to me?
Thanks
lee
May 18th, 2013 - 10:58pmso what is the name of the doctor?????
if they are using it as john hurt as the new doctor then its a joke!
Great
May 18th, 2013 - 11:01pmWell the doctor saids his name isn’t the secret the secret is John hurts doctor which is the 8th doctor ( Paul McCann TV movie ). This doctor killed millions in the time war kinda. Anything else just ask
Some bloke
May 18th, 2013 - 11:02pmSPOILER ALERT!!!!
John Hurt is rumoured to be playing the forgotten 9th doctor. They are saying something happened in the time war which caused the doctor to forget this incarnation, making him think that eccleston was the 9th doctor when in actual fact he was the 10th 😀
Scott
May 18th, 2013 - 11:18pmI think or my theories is from reading up on things that the split into two for some reason or another to do with the ending of the time war, this is a separate part of the doctor but it isn’t THE doctor
Great
May 18th, 2013 - 11:32pmMate he is actually playing ……….. Spoiler …………,,,.,…,,,,………….. The 8th Doctor so they don’t have change all the figures and books
booboo
May 18th, 2013 - 11:37pmHow so, Clara said she had seen all 11 Doctors but not the Hurt Doctor before.
lee
May 18th, 2013 - 11:38pmJohn Hurt Is an ACTOR – Not the name of the doctor!!!!
booboo
May 18th, 2013 - 11:41pmWell that’s obvious, i don’t see what you mean
lee
May 18th, 2013 - 11:42pmthe actual name of the doctor!
DCW
May 18th, 2013 - 10:47pmI have a theory that John Hurt will play the Doctor by his real name which is ‘The First’ John’s character was the 1st incarnation before Hartnell, he is was evil, more evil than the Master! The anniversary will show what evil he did along time ago, in the end of this process he will die and regenerate into Will Hartnell. In redemption and seeing the error of his ways Will Hartnell declares himself from here on in I shall be The Doctor, in shame of his former self, takes his granddaughter and steals a Tardis thus running away from Gallifrey and temptations and responsibilites thus the quote “I’ve been running my whole life” the evil The First did was to break laws of Time etc!, wanting to control the universe very much like The Master does. This would explain why the Doctor always wants to ‘save’ The Master and cant bring himself to kill him because he saved himself through redemption thus becoming The Doctor, the redemption is in “seeing the universe for what it is” “not controlling it” as he said to the Master in the past. The Doctor learns to care and that all things deserve to live even The Daleks, he always wants The Master to see this, why? Unless he has already been down a dark path and learnt a harsh lesson from it! Maybe the lesson is in his process of being evil Susan’s parents was killed? What better reason for redemption and becoming The Doctor!? And taking her away from Gallifrey and Corrupt Timelords. The Timelords did become bad in the end, we know this having seen them, maybe Will Hartnell saw this eventually happening one day another reason for going, Susan won’t become like them! So takes her away. I don’t believe John Hurt Being the 9th, The 8th Doctor fought and died in The Time War but going back to my point of being redeemed could not kill he’s The Doctor so locks The Timelords in a Timelock, alive but unable to do the Universe harm, why? Because they would have gone onto do what The First aka John Hurt did or nearly did which would have been to destroy all life in the Universe! Come 23/11/13 we will see how close my theory is! “Been running my whole life” running from the only evil he fears himself! I feel this makes the most logical sense and why he is universally loathed, feared but loved!
Big D
May 19th, 2013 - 9:57amI like it. Would love to see a pre Hartnell for the 50th Special.
Who 1
May 18th, 2013 - 10:43pmJohn Hurt is a younger first doctor before he left gallifrey with Susan
ROCKSTAR
May 20th, 2013 - 8:13pmI think the the version between 8 and 9 is much better because it makes sense plus the revival of the show began with people talking about the time war
Gt93
May 18th, 2013 - 10:38pmI think John hurt is the older version of the eight doctor during the time war before eccelston.
Anonymous
May 18th, 2013 - 11:02pmsame
Andrew
May 18th, 2013 - 11:07pmClose, when the 8th Doctor regenerates, it splits into two, he is the 9th doctor but an alternate one who fights in the war, this is only my theory but I think it fits, he broke the name of the doctor because he killed the timelords and daleks ‘without choice’.
daryl
May 18th, 2013 - 10:28pmThis is what I think:
Something MUST have happened in the Time War to force regeneration from 8th to 9th. SO, the 10th Doctor said that in the final days of the war the Time Lords changed, became desperate. We seen an example of this in the End of Time.
Each doctor never seems to age but maybe near the end of the war the 8th Doctor was so tired, so ashamed of what his people were doing and planning that it changed him, it aged him. And when he ended it he had no choice and he did it in the name of peace as it was the same thing to do as he said today.
And when he ended it he wa so old he just had to regenerate into the 9th. What do you guys think? Please comment!
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 5:44pmIt’s the only explanation I can think of. He’s killed before, but he’s never been so ashamed he was disowned by his future self. He destroyed the Time Lords, Gallifrey, the Daleks etc. because the Time Lords became desperate, so he did it because he ‘had no choice’. Also, the 9th Doctor is an angry version, far worse than the others. This has always been attributed to survivor’s guilt, but did he hate himself more than we thought for ending the war?
ROCKSTAR
May 20th, 2013 - 8:10pmdaryl that does make sense people who think he is a future version are wrong.But maybe he killed himself because he could nt live with the guilt of commiting 2 genocides.
Great
May 18th, 2013 - 10:12pmWhat u think boo boo. Sadly no Paul
Anonymous
May 18th, 2013 - 10:00pmSo that’s why we need an updated doctors figure set!
drjakeyoung
May 18th, 2013 - 9:46pmi think that the doctor and Clara will try and escape, but cannot for some reason, so the Hurt doctor will help them escape, and on the way maybe the 10th doctor try’s to help?
Anonymous
May 18th, 2013 - 9:38pmI was stunned by this cliffhanger
Nelsonator
May 18th, 2013 - 9:32pmi don’t understand how he is the doctor but i also don’t understand if he is the 12th or 13th doctor, is he really the next doctor or someone else?
The Doctor
May 18th, 2013 - 9:37pmi have a theroy that he is the real 9th doctor the one that fought in the time war and regenrated into chris’s doctor. the doctor just tried to forget him and erase him from history
Nelsonator
May 19th, 2013 - 10:09amwell he doesn’t look like the 9th, he looked like the future one or someone else, how can he be the 9th doctor even if Christopher played the 9th, or was he supposed to be the 9th instead of Chris.
Run You Clever Boy And Remember Me
May 18th, 2013 - 9:20pmNOT in the name of The Doctor… I wonder… I’ll keep my ideas to myself for now though…
Thomas Bracken
May 18th, 2013 - 9:19pmIt has occurred to none of you that John Hurt could be The 8th Doctor after he has destroyed Gallifrey
daryl
May 18th, 2013 - 9:28pmgood one mate!
Thomas Bracken
May 18th, 2013 - 9:40pmalso, if he the 12th or 13th Doctor then why would 11 bring him up?
Thomas Bracken
May 18th, 2013 - 9:40pmhe was*
Great
May 18th, 2013 - 10:08pmIt expressed the point of the show and brilliant episode sadly no Paul macan it was right problems sadly
Great
May 18th, 2013 - 10:13pmHe is Paul M but older so he’s the 8th
Anonymous
May 18th, 2013 - 11:49pmat least someone gets it
GameChicken
May 19th, 2013 - 1:10amHe must be a previous doctor, smith knows who he is. Yeah, I know, he’s a time traveller so he can go see his future self but you know he wouldn’t
Tardis’nt
May 18th, 2013 - 9:11pmHE HAS GOT TO BE THE VALEYARD!!! !!!
daryl
May 18th, 2013 - 9:04pmhurt has confused me!?
leebebbs
May 18th, 2013 - 9:02pm@drjakeyoung. Spot on 😉
drjakeyoung
May 18th, 2013 - 9:43pmlol thanks!
Ollievater
May 18th, 2013 - 8:52pmWhy is that old old old old man going to be the doctor why does he Brit why don’t it still be matt smith
Ollievater
May 18th, 2013 - 8:53pmI did not mean to put brit
leebebbs
May 18th, 2013 - 9:01pmYou just don’t get it do you? This isn’t who is replacing Matt. I do so despair, but persevere there may be hope for you yet.
sheepinafez
May 18th, 2013 - 8:49pmthe valeyard
Matt69
May 18th, 2013 - 8:41pmThe mysterious Dr. who at the end must be from the past otherwise Matt Smith’s Dr wouldn’t know who he was? To be honest it would be the death of the current format if John Hurt took over so I expect it will be a two- three show at the Max for John
DOCTOR WHO ONE
May 18th, 2013 - 8:25pmJohn Hurt is NOT the real 9th Doctor. If he was then answer me this –
How come his face is never seen between Doctor’s 8 and 9 whenever the new series has featured the past 10 Doctor’s faces ? such as was recently seen in ‘Nightmare in Silver’.
Clara herself said that the current Doctor played by Matt Smith in todays episode [“I saw your past selves, your the 11th Doctor”], and she said so herself that she never saw the one that’s ment to be John Hurt, so either the 12th or 13th who broke the promise of what it means to be known as THE DOCTOR, or John is the Doctor of a parallel universe where all the Doctors look different compared to the ones of our time, and it’s up to our 10th and 11th Doctors of our universe to send John’s one back to his universe in Novembers 50th Anniversary special.
drjakeyoung
May 18th, 2013 - 8:46pmbecause those past faces names were the doctor, but maybe the Hurt is not called the doctor, but by his real name (they were called the doctor and maybe this incarnation is called something else?)
Matt
May 18th, 2013 - 9:56pmTheres a theory hes a suppressed memory of The Doctor, that he was the actual Doctor who killed all the Time-Lords to end the Time War etc, and The Doctor didnt want to accept it, and maybe he tried to remove that incarnation from databases? Unless that incarnation only existed in the Time-War? so only other time-lords and Daleks saw it?
Matt
May 18th, 2013 - 9:57pmThus the theory meaning, that the amended Doctor order would be:
Hurt: 9
Eccleston: 10
Tennant: 11
Smith: 12
Great
May 18th, 2013 - 10:11pmGuys chill. The point was John hurt didn’t act like the doctor due to him killing pretty much most the time lords therefore in away he is a doctor but doctor saids he isn’t a doctor as he didn’t act like him so yes John is the doctor but not the doctor we know so making him a kinda 8.5 doctor between Paul and Chris
Frankie
May 18th, 2013 - 11:08pm“Clara herself said that the current Doctor played by Matt Smith in todays episode [“I saw your past selves, your the 11th Doctor”], and she said so herself that she never saw the one that’s ment to be John Hurt”
Yes, but she wouldn’t have seen The Doctor during the Time War because the entire event is time locked…
GameChicken
May 19th, 2013 - 1:18amBut Hurt would not be the 9th doctor, even if he did regenerate into him before Eccleston, he is not going by the name ‘the doctor’s so he is not the 9th doctor. Eg..lets say he goes by the name bob;
8th Doctor, regenerates into..
1st Bob, regenerates into..
9th Doctor, regenerates into..
10th Doctor, and so on…
anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 6:16amI like GameChicken’s theory. We know this: the Doctor said “he’s me…I didn’t say he was the Doctor”. Also, I don’t think he would have been before the first doctor, because Matt Smith said “the name you choose is like a promise… He’s the one who broke the promise.” How could he have broken the promise if he was before Hartnell? He had to have chosen the name, thus becoming the Doctor in order to have broken it. Plus, he should be in the past, since 11 knows him. In the episode from season 4 “The Next Doctor”, 10 meets a man who is calling himself the doctor and assumes he must be a future incarnation, since he didn’t know him. Some people have commented that he’s a time traveler and could go into the future to meet a new doctor, but the doctor has said time and again, that you can’t know the future because it contains “spoilers.” (references: “Silence in the Library”, “Forest of the Dead”, “The Angels take Manhattan”)
So, either he came in between the 8th and 9th, but not as a regeneration of the Doctor, but as a whole new “Bob”, to reference GameChicken. Another idea, he might be an aged version of the 8th Doctor, so twisted by what he had done in the time war, that he no longer considered himself the Doctor. His face wouldn’t show up in the database references, cause they use the younger face of 8, who hasn’t broke the promise. Besides, in the first episode with Christopher Eccelson, “Rose”, he obviously has just regenerated, because he looks in the mirror, and makes a comment about his new face.
Matt Smithy
May 19th, 2013 - 7:44amI believe this:
Matt Smith IS the 11th Doctor, but not the 11th incarnation of the PERSON. Clara says she saw all 11 Doctors and that he is the 11th Doctor, but then the Doctor goes on to say that the name you choose is a promise. John Hurts Doctor must have been the one that destroyed Gallifrey and Skaro, But because of this, he was no longer fit to be called “the Doctor”, therefore breaking the promise. Whenever we see the faces, the enemy has been told to look up “the Doctor”, not the only incarnation he was that used his real name. I believe that John Hurt is technically the real 9th Doctor, and when he regenerated to Chris, he wanted to start fresh again, calling himself The Doctor. Unfortunately, this means The Doctor only has 1 life left D:
Anonymous
May 19th, 2013 - 10:30amBut river gave him her remaining lives, so he has more than one, and they will find a way to make him live longer, don’t worry!
ROCKSTAR
May 20th, 2013 - 8:04pmI read somewhere that the doctor can shield his mind.
The Darke Horde
June 2nd, 2013 - 8:56amin sarah jane adventures, he said he had something like 907
bilal
May 18th, 2013 - 8:22pmi friken was sad at the end of that 🙁
Ollievater
May 18th, 2013 - 8:56pmWhy
RORY DOCTOR RIVER POND
May 18th, 2013 - 8:18pmno cliff hanger, as wen i typed in dr who in google the headline said: john hurt reveals time lord part. thanks john, such a give-away
Son of Strax
May 19th, 2013 - 8:08amI think the operative word here is PART. The Doctor is now in his own Time Stream. He could encounter all his past, present and future regenerations. Therefore John Hurt, John Barrowman or even Mickey Mouse could play cameo versions of all Doctors. As Time is paradoxical, his entry in to his time stream may have been the cause of the Time Wars in the first place (or last place as the case may be)
tardisbob
May 18th, 2013 - 8:12pmI reckon John Hurt will play the doctor between the 8th and 9th doctors. the one lost in the time war
obeythewhispermen
May 18th, 2013 - 8:07pmthey say he is the the doctor so is he the 12th doctor.
Dalek Smith
May 18th, 2013 - 8:10pmyes but its steven moffat so he could be anyone just as long as they don’t do a jackson lake
Anonymous
May 18th, 2013 - 8:15pmNo he’s the real ninth doctor he ended the time war
matt982
May 18th, 2013 - 8:18pmHow do you know?
Void Adept
May 18th, 2013 - 8:23pmIt would be the 8th doctor if it was him during the Last Great Time War. Otherwise, how would they explain the drastic appearance changes between Christopher and John?
drjakeyoung
May 18th, 2013 - 8:54pmMcgann-Hurt-Chris
Ollievater
May 18th, 2013 - 8:57pmYes because i’v got david tenant and he is the 10th doctor