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What Did You Think of Face the Raven?
Now that the highly anticipated tenth episode of series 9 has been aired what did you think? Was it everything you had hoped for or not what you expected.
no not the ood, when the man was killed after saying goodbye to his wife Asheidr said he was a cyberman.
sheepinafez
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:06pm
I need opinions on this people!!
Dalekparadigm2
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:05pm
Are you talking about the Ood because I don’t think they’re married.
Dalekparadigm2
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:03pm
The one who’s in the finale. The one who “carked it” is the original. Also, she’s dead. Jenna Coleman confirmed this. Her contract ran out.
sheepinafez
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:03pm
ok can somebody, ANYBODY explain to me why the cyberman had a wife. im so confused!!!!
Christina De Souza
November 22nd, 2015 - 5:58pm
I just wanted to say I’m having a wonderful time.
DrWhatonEarth?????
November 22nd, 2015 - 5:58pm
It’s entirely up to the individual if you respect my comments or not. Face the Raven was a budget-restrained episode where Clara ( born to save the doctor ) met a poor, whimpering death whilst the doctor just looked-on like a spare part at a wedding!! Not even a word or attempt to save her!!! And Cybermen are emotionless warriors afraid of nothing – not even the Daleks ( Doomsday, anyone? ). To seek sanctuary means to be afraid/ in fear of something persuing you – which infers running scared and EMOTIONS!! The Cybermen have been constantly diluted over the years and I can hear the scriptwriter/ Mr Moffatt now…” Ooooh, let’s use a Cyberman in the street scene.. and an Ood….oh, and lets bung in a couple of judoon just for good measure….they add absolutely NOTHING to the story, but at least it LOOKS good and distracts evvabody from that black budgie ( sorry, raven ). ” A lack-lustre episode even by dr who standards. There’s one good thing at least…..since the 2005 reboot we’ve had 13 episodes a series, then 12 episodes… and next year ( due to the stresssssss ) we’re being treated to just 6 new episodes – so there’ll be even LESS for us all to disagree about on screen!!!!! Can things get any worse ….. what do you think?????????
Evans the coward
November 22nd, 2015 - 5:50pm
What the one who (apparently) carked it. Or the one who may return
The Sonic Monkey
November 22nd, 2015 - 4:16pm
Great episode. Capaldi was fantastic towards the end. The bubbling rage beneath his skin was a thing to be feared.
Loved it.
CJ
November 22nd, 2015 - 4:13pm
We believe it could be one of her echoes
doctor no more
November 22nd, 2015 - 4:02pm
Think we are on the same length.good comments
Zygon63
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:23pm
I thought this episode was fantastic, one of the highlights of this series.
Clara’s death was very well thought out. It makes perfect sense for her to have died through trying to think like the Doctor, and as a result of them both getting too full of themselves on their thrilling adventures where everything always turns out alright.
This tragedy is something unlike anything I have seen in the show. An example of how innocent miscommunication and self-confidence can lead to great consequences.
I also loved the whole trap street setup.
Zygon63
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:17pm
Erm… Have you seen The Name of the Doctor?
Evans the coward
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:08pm
Clara ain’t dead.
She is gonna return in hell bent.
What about the waitress and the sad song called Clara?
We have seen none of that.
Cmon DWM readers.
SHE IS NOT DEAD
DOCTOR WHO ONE
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:07pm
Simon W – No, there actually is going to be an echo of Clara as an American diner waitress in the finale, as photos taken during film have shown several months ago.
The Surgeon
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:04pm
Also, I just read what you said.
Does it make sense? I’m not so sure.
If you can tell me how a Cyberman wanting sanctuary is an inconsistency, I will happily respect what you have to say.
The Surgeon
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:03pm
For me:
1. Under the Lake
2. Face the Raven
3. Before the Flood
4. The Zygon Inversion
5. The Woman who Lived
6. The Girl who Died
7. The Magician’s Apprentice
8. The Witch’s Familiar
9. The Zygon Invasion
10. Sleep no More
DrWhatonEarth?????
November 22nd, 2015 - 2:42pm
Oh dear, Where to begin? Another mediocre dr who story with a drawn-out plot and poor writing. Most of the actors looked bored to death and the two-faced aliens have been used before with the Smilers and Matt Smith. Fully expected Clara to go out ‘with a bang’ by saving the day/ saving the doctor etc. but all we got was a poorly executed demise with her just ‘ standing there ‘ after a convoluted speech…. and the doctor just also ‘standing there’ not saying a single word while it happened in front of him!?!?!!!! Just NOT believable or good drama. Jenna deserved so much BETTER!!! It’s as though the B-List writers simply do not ‘ geddit ‘ and Mr Moffat is approving the most ridiculous of storylines that are full of inconsistencies and plot- holes. No wonder that Series 8 and Series 9 have haemorrhaged viewers and ratings. Yet again more ludicrous scenes – WHY does a Cyberman need sanctuary??? This series has been FULL of throwaway gimmicks/ scenes/ lack of continuity/ etc.etc.etc.etc. Hope the finale makes some sort of sense – but I wouldn’t bet on it……….
matparks08
November 22nd, 2015 - 2:38pm
I think you’re in a minority there
Olga
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:43pm
I think their relationship was too strong just to leave like that. Personally I preferred the ending of “Death in Heaven”, when she just said goodbye, thanked the Doctor, and left. Optionally, she could have stayed old in “Last Christmas.”
Simon W
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:23pm
I should have said there was 3 of them I did for get about Katarine who came in in the story the Myth Makers and died in the Daleks Master Plan. So yes she was 1, Adric was 2 in Earthshock, He was on the ship that blow up and there was no way he could get off it and the doctor couldn’t land the tardis on it as it was moving about in time. and 3 was Sara Kingdom was a 1 off companion for the story Dalek’s Master Plan died in episode 12.
doctor3000
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:20pm
I will never look at a raven the same way again!
I wonder how the doctor will get the tardis back?
As well as the confession dial?
Simon W
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:11pm
LOL just be thankful he did not leave u with her.
Simon W
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:08pm
The cover for the DWM was a special cover just for a UK convention I think
doctor no more
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:02pm
I agree when you watch how rose left or the ponds there was a massive show of emotion from the doctor and it was gripping,sadly with clara there was no effort put in the story,terrible
doctor no more
November 22nd, 2015 - 12:58pm
as with the very poor exit that was given to matt smith because he quit,jenna has had the same fate a very poor exit,hardly any emotion by the current doctor for the girl who was born to save the doctor was killed by a raven! I wonder.i felt like I was watching a low budget episode from the 80s with cheap sets,oh dear, can It get any worse,sadly I think it can as ratings are dropping fast.i hope the bbc get a grip as this was a brilliant show over the last few years since being rebooted.sadly I think this doctor is rubbish,it should have been david morrisey as the new doctor or hugh laurie,perhaps next time hopefully very soon.
Olga
November 22nd, 2015 - 12:55pm
I agree that her death was kind of stupid, she faced so many monsters etc. but she died because of such a tiny silly thing but it happens in real life as well.
Alex Who?
November 22nd, 2015 - 12:49pm
Good Episode and a vast improvement after SLEEP NO MORE. Can’t wait for the Finale!
the ergon
November 22nd, 2015 - 11:46am
I knew it was coming and I,ll miss clara, more so as ‘The impossible girl’ but I feel they dragged those final scenes out( that raven seemed to take an eternity to reach clara unlike its previous victim and how long was that street?), and why,ll emotional it lacked that gutpunch that so resonated with say the death of the ponds and even Adric. Imagine if they,d had the clara dalek killed by the doctor in the penultimate episode that would have been a shock to the system. As it was a definite improvement on last week, and claras swansong I can forgive any little inconsistencies.
47
November 22nd, 2015 - 10:34am
I enjoyed this episode, and always appreciate Peter Capaldi, especially when he given the opportunities to be dramatic, with all its subtleties. Maisie Williams’ character got a little more developmental room, and I enjoyed it more than the previous two appearances (largely due to the story qualities, or lack there of.) I thought it was ironic that Clara, after so often seeing her as the be all and end all – at the centre of the universe, in this episode, after lording it up over Riggsy, out-smarted herself that lead to he demise. However,the story and thread narratives, plus the scenes, were well played out by all, and gave the episode a resonance it may have lacked with a happy bookshelf ending. Good stuff, looking forward to the finale(s).
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sheepinafez
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:07pmno not the ood, when the man was killed after saying goodbye to his wife Asheidr said he was a cyberman.
sheepinafez
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:06pmI need opinions on this people!!
Dalekparadigm2
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:05pmAre you talking about the Ood because I don’t think they’re married.
Dalekparadigm2
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:03pmThe one who’s in the finale. The one who “carked it” is the original. Also, she’s dead. Jenna Coleman confirmed this. Her contract ran out.
sheepinafez
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:03pmok can somebody, ANYBODY explain to me why the cyberman had a wife. im so confused!!!!
Christina De Souza
November 22nd, 2015 - 5:58pmI just wanted to say I’m having a wonderful time.
DrWhatonEarth?????
November 22nd, 2015 - 5:58pmIt’s entirely up to the individual if you respect my comments or not. Face the Raven was a budget-restrained episode where Clara ( born to save the doctor ) met a poor, whimpering death whilst the doctor just looked-on like a spare part at a wedding!! Not even a word or attempt to save her!!! And Cybermen are emotionless warriors afraid of nothing – not even the Daleks ( Doomsday, anyone? ). To seek sanctuary means to be afraid/ in fear of something persuing you – which infers running scared and EMOTIONS!! The Cybermen have been constantly diluted over the years and I can hear the scriptwriter/ Mr Moffatt now…” Ooooh, let’s use a Cyberman in the street scene.. and an Ood….oh, and lets bung in a couple of judoon just for good measure….they add absolutely NOTHING to the story, but at least it LOOKS good and distracts evvabody from that black budgie ( sorry, raven ). ” A lack-lustre episode even by dr who standards. There’s one good thing at least…..since the 2005 reboot we’ve had 13 episodes a series, then 12 episodes… and next year ( due to the stresssssss ) we’re being treated to just 6 new episodes – so there’ll be even LESS for us all to disagree about on screen!!!!! Can things get any worse ….. what do you think?????????
Evans the coward
November 22nd, 2015 - 5:50pmWhat the one who (apparently) carked it. Or the one who may return
The Sonic Monkey
November 22nd, 2015 - 4:16pmGreat episode. Capaldi was fantastic towards the end. The bubbling rage beneath his skin was a thing to be feared.
Loved it.
CJ
November 22nd, 2015 - 4:13pmWe believe it could be one of her echoes
doctor no more
November 22nd, 2015 - 4:02pmThink we are on the same length.good comments
Zygon63
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:23pmI thought this episode was fantastic, one of the highlights of this series.
Clara’s death was very well thought out. It makes perfect sense for her to have died through trying to think like the Doctor, and as a result of them both getting too full of themselves on their thrilling adventures where everything always turns out alright.
This tragedy is something unlike anything I have seen in the show. An example of how innocent miscommunication and self-confidence can lead to great consequences.
I also loved the whole trap street setup.
Zygon63
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:17pmErm… Have you seen The Name of the Doctor?
Evans the coward
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:08pmClara ain’t dead.
She is gonna return in hell bent.
What about the waitress and the sad song called Clara?
We have seen none of that.
Cmon DWM readers.
SHE IS NOT DEAD
DOCTOR WHO ONE
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:07pmSimon W – No, there actually is going to be an echo of Clara as an American diner waitress in the finale, as photos taken during film have shown several months ago.
The Surgeon
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:04pmAlso, I just read what you said.
Does it make sense? I’m not so sure.
If you can tell me how a Cyberman wanting sanctuary is an inconsistency, I will happily respect what you have to say.
The Surgeon
November 22nd, 2015 - 3:03pmFor me:
1. Under the Lake
2. Face the Raven
3. Before the Flood
4. The Zygon Inversion
5. The Woman who Lived
6. The Girl who Died
7. The Magician’s Apprentice
8. The Witch’s Familiar
9. The Zygon Invasion
10. Sleep no More
DrWhatonEarth?????
November 22nd, 2015 - 2:42pmOh dear, Where to begin? Another mediocre dr who story with a drawn-out plot and poor writing. Most of the actors looked bored to death and the two-faced aliens have been used before with the Smilers and Matt Smith. Fully expected Clara to go out ‘with a bang’ by saving the day/ saving the doctor etc. but all we got was a poorly executed demise with her just ‘ standing there ‘ after a convoluted speech…. and the doctor just also ‘standing there’ not saying a single word while it happened in front of him!?!?!!!! Just NOT believable or good drama. Jenna deserved so much BETTER!!! It’s as though the B-List writers simply do not ‘ geddit ‘ and Mr Moffat is approving the most ridiculous of storylines that are full of inconsistencies and plot- holes. No wonder that Series 8 and Series 9 have haemorrhaged viewers and ratings. Yet again more ludicrous scenes – WHY does a Cyberman need sanctuary??? This series has been FULL of throwaway gimmicks/ scenes/ lack of continuity/ etc.etc.etc.etc. Hope the finale makes some sort of sense – but I wouldn’t bet on it……….
matparks08
November 22nd, 2015 - 2:38pmI think you’re in a minority there
Olga
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:43pmI think their relationship was too strong just to leave like that. Personally I preferred the ending of “Death in Heaven”, when she just said goodbye, thanked the Doctor, and left. Optionally, she could have stayed old in “Last Christmas.”
Simon W
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:23pmI should have said there was 3 of them I did for get about Katarine who came in in the story the Myth Makers and died in the Daleks Master Plan. So yes she was 1, Adric was 2 in Earthshock, He was on the ship that blow up and there was no way he could get off it and the doctor couldn’t land the tardis on it as it was moving about in time. and 3 was Sara Kingdom was a 1 off companion for the story Dalek’s Master Plan died in episode 12.
doctor3000
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:20pmI will never look at a raven the same way again!
I wonder how the doctor will get the tardis back?
As well as the confession dial?
Simon W
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:11pmLOL just be thankful he did not leave u with her.
Simon W
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:08pmThe cover for the DWM was a special cover just for a UK convention I think
doctor no more
November 22nd, 2015 - 1:02pmI agree when you watch how rose left or the ponds there was a massive show of emotion from the doctor and it was gripping,sadly with clara there was no effort put in the story,terrible
doctor no more
November 22nd, 2015 - 12:58pmas with the very poor exit that was given to matt smith because he quit,jenna has had the same fate a very poor exit,hardly any emotion by the current doctor for the girl who was born to save the doctor was killed by a raven! I wonder.i felt like I was watching a low budget episode from the 80s with cheap sets,oh dear, can It get any worse,sadly I think it can as ratings are dropping fast.i hope the bbc get a grip as this was a brilliant show over the last few years since being rebooted.sadly I think this doctor is rubbish,it should have been david morrisey as the new doctor or hugh laurie,perhaps next time hopefully very soon.
Olga
November 22nd, 2015 - 12:55pmI agree that her death was kind of stupid, she faced so many monsters etc. but she died because of such a tiny silly thing but it happens in real life as well.
Alex Who?
November 22nd, 2015 - 12:49pmGood Episode and a vast improvement after SLEEP NO MORE. Can’t wait for the Finale!
the ergon
November 22nd, 2015 - 11:46amI knew it was coming and I,ll miss clara, more so as ‘The impossible girl’ but I feel they dragged those final scenes out( that raven seemed to take an eternity to reach clara unlike its previous victim and how long was that street?), and why,ll emotional it lacked that gutpunch that so resonated with say the death of the ponds and even Adric. Imagine if they,d had the clara dalek killed by the doctor in the penultimate episode that would have been a shock to the system. As it was a definite improvement on last week, and claras swansong I can forgive any little inconsistencies.
47
November 22nd, 2015 - 10:34amI enjoyed this episode, and always appreciate Peter Capaldi, especially when he given the opportunities to be dramatic, with all its subtleties. Maisie Williams’ character got a little more developmental room, and I enjoyed it more than the previous two appearances (largely due to the story qualities, or lack there of.) I thought it was ironic that Clara, after so often seeing her as the be all and end all – at the centre of the universe, in this episode, after lording it up over Riggsy, out-smarted herself that lead to he demise. However,the story and thread narratives, plus the scenes, were well played out by all, and gave the episode a resonance it may have lacked with a happy bookshelf ending. Good stuff, looking forward to the finale(s).