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What Did You Think of Face the Raven?

Now that the highly anticipated tenth episode of series 9 has been aired what did you think? Was it everything you had hoped for or not what you expected.




  • DrWhatonEarth?????

    November 22nd, 2015 - 5:58pm

    It’s entirely up to the individual if you respect my comments or not. Face the Raven was a budget-restrained episode where Clara ( born to save the doctor ) met a poor, whimpering death whilst the doctor just looked-on like a spare part at a wedding!! Not even a word or attempt to save her!!! And Cybermen are emotionless warriors afraid of nothing – not even the Daleks ( Doomsday, anyone? ). To seek sanctuary means to be afraid/ in fear of something persuing you – which infers running scared and EMOTIONS!! The Cybermen have been constantly diluted over the years and I can hear the scriptwriter/ Mr Moffatt now…” Ooooh, let’s use a Cyberman in the street scene.. and an Ood….oh, and lets bung in a couple of judoon just for good measure….they add absolutely NOTHING to the story, but at least it LOOKS good and distracts evvabody from that black budgie ( sorry, raven ). ” A lack-lustre episode even by dr who standards. There’s one good thing at least…..since the 2005 reboot we’ve had 13 episodes a series, then 12 episodes… and next year ( due to the stresssssss ) we’re being treated to just 6 new episodes – so there’ll be even LESS for us all to disagree about on screen!!!!! Can things get any worse ….. what do you think?????????

    • Dalekparadigm2

      November 22nd, 2015 - 6:09pm

      This bit about 6 eps is unconfirmed. Moffat wants 12. Capaldi said it MIGHT be less. And if you actually read the comments, you’ll know we aren’t ALL arguing. Its just the long blown ranters who are so content on wrecking everybody’s experience of the episodes.

    • Anonymous

      November 22nd, 2015 - 6:10pm

      I quite beg to differ, I think that was a really good 50 minutes. Okay I see how people might have been left feeling a bit bleugh from the huge alien convention anonymous setting, but I think it was okay if you overlooked that fact.

      As of the death of Clara Oswald. No words. I knew for weeks that it was coming in episode 10 but this was just cruel. And I really don’t understand why it was so sudden. One minute they were like “yeah we’re gonna save the world, all we need is rigsy’s chronolock” and the next minute, bam, Clara’s dead on the street.

      And I get the fact she was supposed to die but please, a bit more fight from The Doctor. It tore my heart open when he was beginning to run forward and decided against it, watching Clara’s motionless body on the ground. I’ve gotta say, even dead, she STILL looks to die for. No pun intended. So yeah. I just can’t do this. Her death was sad.

      Essentially, Clara just got her innards pecked apart by a passive pigeon, but hey, what better way to go than that.

      Peace out Clara and remember us, cuz we’ll remember you, for sure. I just hope you don’t end up with cyber Danny in cyber heaven cuz his face is meh but his personality is

      It’s a shame you didn’t get to celebrate your birthday.

    • The Other

      November 22nd, 2015 - 9:22pm

      It’s been confirmed there’s a full series next year

    • Simon W

      November 22nd, 2015 - 10:59pm

      I don’t know if its true or not but I have heared there will be another 5 season s after the 10th season. So don’t hold me to it lol

  • The Sonic Monkey

    November 22nd, 2015 - 4:16pm

    Great episode. Capaldi was fantastic towards the end. The bubbling rage beneath his skin was a thing to be feared.
    Loved it.

  • Zygon63

    November 22nd, 2015 - 3:23pm

    I thought this episode was fantastic, one of the highlights of this series.
    Clara’s death was very well thought out. It makes perfect sense for her to have died through trying to think like the Doctor, and as a result of them both getting too full of themselves on their thrilling adventures where everything always turns out alright.
    This tragedy is something unlike anything I have seen in the show. An example of how innocent miscommunication and self-confidence can lead to great consequences.
    I also loved the whole trap street setup.

  • Evans the coward

    November 22nd, 2015 - 3:08pm

    Clara ain’t dead.
    She is gonna return in hell bent.
    What about the waitress and the sad song called Clara?
    We have seen none of that.
    Cmon DWM readers.

    • Zygon63

      November 22nd, 2015 - 3:17pm

      Erm… Have you seen The Name of the Doctor?

    • CJ

      November 22nd, 2015 - 4:13pm

      We believe it could be one of her echoes

    • Evans the coward

      November 22nd, 2015 - 5:50pm

      What the one who (apparently) carked it. Or the one who may return

    • Dalekparadigm2

      November 22nd, 2015 - 6:03pm

      The one who’s in the finale. The one who “carked it” is the original. Also, she’s dead. Jenna Coleman confirmed this. Her contract ran out.

    • Simon W

      November 25th, 2015 - 1:25pm

      The Clara in Heaven sent is like the other Clara’s that helped the Doctor’s over time. It’s not the real Clara just another splinter.

    • Evans the coward

      November 28th, 2015 - 4:07pm

      Just another ridiculous fan theory.

  • The Surgeon

    November 22nd, 2015 - 3:03pm

    For me:

    1. Under the Lake
    2. Face the Raven
    3. Before the Flood
    4. The Zygon Inversion
    5. The Woman who Lived
    6. The Girl who Died
    7. The Magician’s Apprentice
    8. The Witch’s Familiar
    9. The Zygon Invasion
    10. Sleep no More

  • DrWhatonEarth?????

    November 22nd, 2015 - 2:42pm

    Oh dear, Where to begin? Another mediocre dr who story with a drawn-out plot and poor writing. Most of the actors looked bored to death and the two-faced aliens have been used before with the Smilers and Matt Smith. Fully expected Clara to go out ‘with a bang’ by saving the day/ saving the doctor etc. but all we got was a poorly executed demise with her just ‘ standing there ‘ after a convoluted speech…. and the doctor just also ‘standing there’ not saying a single word while it happened in front of him!?!?!!!! Just NOT believable or good drama. Jenna deserved so much BETTER!!! It’s as though the B-List writers simply do not ‘ geddit ‘ and Mr Moffat is approving the most ridiculous of storylines that are full of inconsistencies and plot- holes. No wonder that Series 8 and Series 9 have haemorrhaged viewers and ratings. Yet again more ludicrous scenes – WHY does a Cyberman need sanctuary??? This series has been FULL of throwaway gimmicks/ scenes/ lack of continuity/ etc.etc.etc.etc. Hope the finale makes some sort of sense – but I wouldn’t bet on it……….

    • The Surgeon

      November 22nd, 2015 - 3:04pm

      Also, I just read what you said.
      Does it make sense? I’m not so sure.
      If you can tell me how a Cyberman wanting sanctuary is an inconsistency, I will happily respect what you have to say.

    • doctor no more

      November 22nd, 2015 - 4:02pm

      Think we are on the same length.good comments

  • doctor3000

    November 22nd, 2015 - 1:20pm

    I will never look at a raven the same way again!

    I wonder how the doctor will get the tardis back?
    As well as the confession dial?

  • doctor no more

    November 22nd, 2015 - 12:58pm

    as with the very poor exit that was given to matt smith because he quit,jenna has had the same fate a very poor exit,hardly any emotion by the current doctor for the girl who was born to save the doctor was killed by a raven! I wonder.i felt like I was watching a low budget episode from the 80s with cheap sets,oh dear, can It get any worse,sadly I think it can as ratings are dropping fast.i hope the bbc get a grip as this was a brilliant show over the last few years since being rebooted.sadly I think this doctor is rubbish,it should have been david morrisey as the new doctor or hugh laurie,perhaps next time hopefully very soon.

    • matparks08

      November 22nd, 2015 - 2:38pm

      I think you’re in a minority there

  • Alex Who?

    November 22nd, 2015 - 12:49pm

    Good Episode and a vast improvement after SLEEP NO MORE. Can’t wait for the Finale!

  • the ergon

    November 22nd, 2015 - 11:46am

    I knew it was coming and I,ll miss clara, more so as ‘The impossible girl’ but I feel they dragged those final scenes out( that raven seemed to take an eternity to reach clara unlike its previous victim and how long was that street?), and why,ll emotional it lacked that gutpunch that so resonated with say the death of the ponds and even Adric. Imagine if they,d had the clara dalek killed by the doctor in the penultimate episode that would have been a shock to the system. As it was a definite improvement on last week, and claras swansong I can forgive any little inconsistencies.

  • 47

    November 22nd, 2015 - 10:34am

    I enjoyed this episode, and always appreciate Peter Capaldi, especially when he given the opportunities to be dramatic, with all its subtleties. Maisie Williams’ character got a little more developmental room, and I enjoyed it more than the previous two appearances (largely due to the story qualities, or lack there of.) I thought it was ironic that Clara, after so often seeing her as the be all and end all – at the centre of the universe, in this episode, after lording it up over Riggsy, out-smarted herself that lead to he demise. However,the story and thread narratives, plus the scenes, were well played out by all, and gave the episode a resonance it may have lacked with a happy bookshelf ending. Good stuff, looking forward to the finale(s).

  • Delvin

    November 22nd, 2015 - 9:01am

    It’s as if Steven Moffatt can write the greatest single stories, but can’t handle the show as the show-runner at all. Writing has just been horribly inconsistent and downright awful the past few years (as mirrored by the incredible decline in viewership/ratings in the UK; (although u.s. viewership is increasing) hence a possibility of hiatus/cancellation in the next 2-3 years). Clara’s character shifted to however they needed it in every episode. Go back and watch each of her episodes – there is almost no character development; rather molding the character to fit the stories. Lazy writing, by a slew of poor writers. Seeing this episode, while not the worst of the series this year, just further demonstrated the failure of proper character development and skilled narrative writing.

  • Jay

    November 22nd, 2015 - 7:56am

    Im glad claras gone think her character has ruined dr who the last few seasons i was really hoping we would see missy again before season ends. Wonder who or what is the hybrid?


    November 22nd, 2015 - 7:04am

    Rest in peace Clara Oswald. Run you clever girl . . . . and remember πŸ™‚

  • Neal T

    November 22nd, 2015 - 3:26am

    Apart from Clara becoming the South Park Kenny of Dr Who mythology can anyone remember her as a waitress this series as evidenced by the photos of the actress dressed as a waitress? Another resurrection as with the 11th Doctor?


      November 22nd, 2015 - 7:01am

      No, Rory Williams was the Kenny of South Park for Doctor Who πŸ˜€

    • Simon W

      November 22nd, 2015 - 1:08pm

      The cover for the DWM was a special cover just for a UK convention I think


      November 22nd, 2015 - 3:07pm

      Simon W – No, there actually is going to be an echo of Clara as an American diner waitress in the finale, as photos taken during film have shown several months ago.

    • Simon W

      November 22nd, 2015 - 11:04pm

      I didn’t know that I saw the cover of the next DWM and thought it said it was a special cover. Owell I must have missed read it. That’s Dyslexia for u I always miss read things. Thanks for putting me right

    • Simon W

      November 22nd, 2015 - 11:19pm

      There are 2 covers for this issue 493 1 a slandered cover and the other is a Festival Edition Limited to 2000 that was for the Dr Who Festival. and that’s from the Dr Who Mag facebook page

  • Doctor Stu

    November 22nd, 2015 - 12:23am

    The woman gets zapped inside a dalek, jumps into the doctors time stream, splits herself into a million pieces, gets her mind nearly eaten by the teller, nearly gets blown up by the skovox blitzer, gets turned into a Dalek, battles an army of cybermen, the Master and the daleks………gets killed by a Raven

    • Whovian #1

      November 22nd, 2015 - 4:54am

      I miss her already. I think she made Capaldi a better Doctor. I also loved her shift of attitude throughout her time

    • doctor no more

      November 22nd, 2015 - 1:02pm

      I agree when you watch how rose left or the ponds there was a massive show of emotion from the doctor and it was gripping,sadly with clara there was no effort put in the story,terrible

    • Simon W

      November 23rd, 2015 - 5:50pm

      Lol Her luck had to run out at some point. Lol

    • The super whovian

      November 23rd, 2015 - 6:14pm

      That’s doctor who for you

  • Anonymous

    November 21st, 2015 - 11:39pm

    Another stunning story. They did very well to fit all that into a single episode.

    Unless answers are gonna come over next 2 weeks, am I the only one who is confused how Danny Pink was the ancestor of Orson Pink from Listen.

    • The Living Shadow

      November 21st, 2015 - 11:46pm

      I was wondering about how Orson Pink exists too…

    • Anonymous

      November 21st, 2015 - 11:56pm

      One theory is he is a lateral descendant of Danny and not from Danny’s (and Clara’s) offspring as we assumed.

    • Doctor Stu

      November 22nd, 2015 - 12:14am

      Maybe it was spatial genetic multiplicity or maybe not because they’ve both got pink as their last name. Can’t believe Clara’s dead but I don’t know whether to be that concerned about it given that moffatt just lies to everyone

    • Whovian #1

      November 22nd, 2015 - 4:56am

      It’s wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff

    • Anonymous

      November 22nd, 2015 - 7:13am

      This is my theory

      In the final episode “HELL Bent” the doctor will try to save Clara by going to another dimension (perhaps omegas but I sadly doubt it) where you travel to after you die and do other things such as work at a bar (real hell not a missy mock-up) and he will find Clara and Danny who may have a son or daughter who may be orsons great grandad or grandmother. He will promise about taking them home but Danny will say he cannot because he died on earth (but maybe in a better way then that.) Clara will say something like this:
      “I had my life on earth, a life of shopping and school and noisy concerts and running around after or away from monsters.
      But now I have this life that is the same in many ways,but at least in this life I have Danny and a family to look after and take round town and shop with. Doctor don’t ever beat yourself up this wasn’t your fault. It was mine I chose to save Rigsy,to save his family. Don’t be hard on Ashildr either she couldn’t change it and neither can you. Thank you doctor for the planets and monsters, thank you for a wonderful life and for being the best friend in any universe could even begin to dream of. Thank you. Go now doctor go and see planets battle the monsters and Villians but take someone with you. Show them the wonders of the universe and the terrors too. Go and live your life but don’t forget me. Go and be the only thing you can ever be, be the doctor.”
      He shall then return to this universe for christmas day.
      A christmas he won’t forget. A christmas with a Song.

    • DoctorFan

      November 22nd, 2015 - 7:14am

      Sorry fogot to put my name

  • Jordan Scott

    November 21st, 2015 - 11:36pm

    My Dad told me once about how he left my great nana to look after his African grey parrot when he was younger and she accidently put poisonous substances in its food, he came back to find that it had unfortunately died – I think she’s the only one who could face the raven! πŸ˜‰

    • Simon W

      November 22nd, 2015 - 1:11pm

      LOL just be thankful he did not leave u with her.

    • Jordan Scott

      November 22nd, 2015 - 8:44pm

      Haha! I’m very thankful indeed! πŸ™‚

  • Doyouhearthem?

    November 21st, 2015 - 11:21pm


  • Dalekparadigm2

    November 21st, 2015 - 11:20pm

    Ok so episode list time.

    1. The Zygon Inversion
    2. Under the Lake
    3. Face the Raven
    4. Before the Flood
    5. The Zygon Invasion
    6. The Magician’s Apprentice
    7. The Witch’s Familiar
    8. The Woman Who Lived
    9. Sleep No More
    10. The Girl Who Died

    I wonder what will happen after the next two episodes…

    • Jordan Scott

      November 21st, 2015 - 11:40pm

      1. The Witch’s Familiar
      2. Face the Raven
      3. The Zygon Inversion
      4. The Magician’s Apprentice
      5. The Zygon Invasion
      6. The Girl Who Died
      7. Before the Flood
      8. Under the Lake
      9. The Woman Who Lived
      10. Sleep No More

    • The Temporal Jelly Baby

      November 22nd, 2015 - 10:25am

      1) The Witch’s Familiar
      2) The Zygon Inversion
      3) Face the Raven
      4) The Magician’s Apprentice
      5) The Zygon Invasion
      6) Before the Flood
      7) Under the Lake
      8) The Girl Who Died
      9) The Woman Who Lived
      10) Sleep No More

  • Masterwho

    November 21st, 2015 - 10:30pm

    I was not expecting that at all. I knew Clara was going but I expected it in the finale. It was a very good death for Clara and I liked that mention of Danny before she went. It was good that Clara suddenly didn’t turn around and say I’m ok and live happily ever after. This new season has been amazing and what is happening in the finale?

  • Exterminator

    November 21st, 2015 - 10:23pm

    Yeah that was a good episode, nice way to see Clara off, the show has been all about her for far too long. She was a good companion though but the time was right for her to go. She’s been saving the world for far too long, that’s the Doctors job!

    I’m wondering if Ashildr/me is working for Missy and Davros who both want to know what is in the Doctors confession dial. I think Missy might turn out to be the time lord/Dalek hybrid and next time we see Missy I suspect she’ll have one of those Dalek eye stalks in her head?

    I loved Peter Capaldi’s fierce face when he was telling Ashildr to stay out of his way after Clara died. They also could’ve explained why all those aliens were hiding on Earth as refugees though, why would a Cyberman need refuge? Also, the 2 face thing has already been done with the Smilers.

    7/10 from me.

    • Anonymous

      November 21st, 2015 - 10:28pm

      How can you be so two dimensional. Plus The smilers were completely different.

    • Doctor Stu

      November 22nd, 2015 - 12:16am

      Not gonna lie with the whole human/alien shift thing where we got to see the monsters underneath the humans I was actually expecting to see that the boy was a smiler in reality

  • Still not ginger

    November 21st, 2015 - 10:14pm

    Just to rub it in remember it’s Clara’s birthday on Monday πŸ™

    • Whovian #1

      November 22nd, 2015 - 5:08am

      Which one actress or character.


      November 22nd, 2015 - 7:02am


  • The Silent Silent

    November 21st, 2015 - 10:04pm

    OK Episode !!!

  • AlphaOmega

    November 21st, 2015 - 10:02pm

    *deep gasp* CLAAAARAAAAAAA! D:

  • Dem squiggles

    November 21st, 2015 - 9:51pm

    I just remembered that ashildr still has the doctors conffesion dial

  • John smith

    November 21st, 2015 - 9:51pm

    I think that if Clara really is dead then the next companion should be Christina who was in the Easter special. She really suits the role and she have a new name called Violet Selthia

    • Violet Selthia

      November 22nd, 2015 - 2:09am

      I mean, I could join the Doctor but to be honest its too much work trying to steal gold from the vaults of kararaxos. I might just change my name back to Lady Christina De Souza

    • Christina De Souza

      November 22nd, 2015 - 5:58pm

      I just wanted to say I’m having a wonderful time.

  • The Surgeon

    November 21st, 2015 - 9:51pm


    • A

      November 22nd, 2015 - 8:38am

      My thoughts exactly.

  • 100,000BC

    November 21st, 2015 - 9:46pm

    I stand by my theory that she lives forever as impossible girl splinters and that’s why she will undoubtedly return wearing a waitress’ uniform in Hell Bent.

    Great episode though, and there are comparisons to be made between the exit of Clara and that of the third Doctor (as related by those who made the show in 1974), in which a growing negative trait becomes the character’s downfall.

    • Whovastron

      November 21st, 2015 - 10:17pm

      What negative trait caused the 3rd Doctor’s death?

    • 100,000BC

      November 21st, 2015 - 11:22pm

      Greed for scientific knowledge, according to Barry Letts, the writer.

  • Doctordredd67

    November 21st, 2015 - 9:35pm

    I’m still expecting to see the master, sorry Missy , appear out of the corner of the street !!! Besides that , what a cracker of an episode tonight. Sad to see Clara go like that , left in the middle of that street, shame really. I still remember when Adric was killed off (5th doctor) He was the most annoying of all the companions in my opinion. Certainly looking forward to next weeks penultimate episode.. πŸ™‚

    • Anonymous

      November 21st, 2015 - 9:46pm

      Sad I will miss Clara cry cry cry I cried bucket loads

    • Simon

      November 21st, 2015 - 10:10pm

      me 2 in the story Earthshock way back in 82. that episode had no end theme tune.

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