November 21st, 2015
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Now that the highly anticipated tenth episode of series 9 has been aired what did you think? Was it everything you had hoped for or not what you expected.
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Doctor Stu
November 23rd, 2015 - 4:52pmCouldn’t Clara make Rigsy pass on the shade to the doctor or Me two people who can’t die
whorules
November 23rd, 2015 - 4:32pmcalm down. and if you don’t like it stop watching and stop trying to make everyone else agree with you. some of us like steven moffat’s era very much!
Mick181
November 23rd, 2015 - 4:15pmFound a blooper!, when they first find the entrance to the street, the same extra is seen walking past them twice.
Other than that a great episode.
DrWhatonEarth?????
November 23rd, 2015 - 4:11pmYet another poorly-executed, budget-restrained episode by another B-list scriptwriter who simply doesn’t ‘geddit’. Cybermen needing sanctuary? Don’t think so. By it’s premise, sanctuary infers you are afraid/ scared of something persuing you – which requires Emotions!! And the silver giants are emotionless cybernetic warriors. Just felt like they were put in the street to ‘look good’ and add NOTHING to the meagre plot. ( why not add an Ood, or a couple of judoon? Oh, hang on – they did! ) Smacks of deliberately trying to divert our attention from the inconsistencies ( that were many ) and the desperation in this series. Clara just standing there like a cardboard- cutout waiting for death? The doctor similarly ‘ standing there ‘ whilst she was smacked in the guts by a black budgie? ( Errr, sorry… Raven ) Born to save the doctor? Errrr… Nope! No continuity and feels like stuff is just being ‘ bunged in ‘ for the sake of it / ratings / etc. Just hope the BBC decide to revamp the series again before it’s too late…and stop the decline in standards. Even the actors looked as though they were thinking ” Ummm…Really?!?? ” and bored senseless. All in all a complete hash and Clara deserved SOooooooo much better. Never mind….at least Mr Capaldi is going to treat us to just SIX episodes next year whilst he goes and does other stuff. Need I say more….???????????
Jay
November 23rd, 2015 - 3:27pmI did too. I felt like I lost someone. It reminded me of Rory and Amy. Why did the Doctor just let Clara go?
sheepinafez
November 23rd, 2015 - 2:54pmI agree, although i guess it shows some developent in the cybermen, they are much more robotic now, like Handles. its kind of interesting that cybermen can be seen as individuals now.
Dalek the Supreme
November 23rd, 2015 - 11:53amHey, I’ve enjoyed Moffat in the past and now and then in the present, and I’ve defended him to death, but even I’ve got to admit that he got it wrong, there. A Cyberman is there with a poor explanation. Obviously it’s not a big part of the episode, so it’s more of a nitpick than anything, but it’s still a problem.
Dalek the Supreme
November 23rd, 2015 - 11:49amIt was definitely an intriguing episode. It had an interesting story, a gripping premise, and some fascinating plot twists. The concept of an alien village hidden in London was a fascinating one, and I really wish we could have seen more of the different aliens living there in their true forms. I could only count an Ood, a Cyberman, and a Silurian with its mask on. The Shade was a really interesting villain, and I wish we’d seen more of it. Same of Rigsy’s family. We don’t get much of a story, there. It just happens. I think that’s the problem with this episode. It has so many wonderful, interesting ideas, and it either doesn’t expand upon them enough, or it just doesn’t explain them. For example, I’m sure we all noticed the Ood and the Cyberman living in the street. We’ve only ever seen humanity having contact with the Ood centuries into the future. How’d one find its way to Earth in the 21st Century? And hello? Cyberman? Emotionless upgrading and/or killing machine? How can it be there without building an army? Cybermen only cooperate with other races out of necessity, as in The Pandorica Opens or The Five Doctors. We get a bit of an explanation as they all fear the Shade, but Cybermen don’t feel fear. It doesn’t make a lot of sense. Oh well.
If there’s one art of the episode executed perfectly, it’s Clara’s death. I’m having a little trouble buying it, given Moffat’s track record with fake-outs, but it is fitting to see her own reckless, cocky nature backfire on her in the worst way possible, and it’s admirable that she just accepts responsibility. The Doctor’s reaction was excellent, unleashing his anger on Ashildr and threatening her and her street, until Clara stops him by pointing out the flaws in his plan, and tells him that it was her fault. Brilliant stuff, there.
I’m interested to see what the finale brings us, as the Doctor is on his own in a place designed to terrify him… If executed well, I foresee some great, horrifying imagery, and a really tense episode.
Dalek the Supreme
November 23rd, 2015 - 11:35amOne of those arguments is moot because Ashilr used the other medical kit on a fellow robber back in the 19th Century.
sheepinafez
November 23rd, 2015 - 9:41amDon’t watch properly? so the cybermen, emotionless beings who think that anyone not like them is wrong can now live peacefully among all other races, its not that people arnt watching properly its that this has never happened before, if anything we are watching “properly” for noticing it :P.
Exterminator
November 23rd, 2015 - 8:12amGood point you’ve got there, he could’ve put her inside that stasis machine.
The
November 23rd, 2015 - 3:54amquite unhappy with the face of the raven because the Doctor and Clara literally stood next to a machine to keep someone alive.
He could have tried to put her there to keep her alive ( basically what the 11th doctor did to save amy-putting her in a machine that keeps the host alive)
Or He could have given Clara the same thing he gave to Ashildr. That would make Clara immortal and the Doctor can leave her coz she is not suitable companion anymore.
Just felt like He didnt try hard enough to save Clara
Adric
November 23rd, 2015 - 3:14amNow I’ll never know if I was right.
Simon W
November 22nd, 2015 - 11:19pmThere are 2 covers for this issue 493 1 a slandered cover and the other is a Festival Edition Limited to 2000 that was for the Dr Who Festival. and that’s from the Dr Who Mag facebook page
Simon W
November 22nd, 2015 - 11:04pmI didn’t know that I saw the cover of the next DWM and thought it said it was a special cover. Owell I must have missed read it. That’s Dyslexia for u I always miss read things. Thanks for putting me right
Simon W
November 22nd, 2015 - 10:59pmI don’t know if its true or not but I have heared there will be another 5 season s after the 10th season. So don’t hold me to it lol
The Other
November 22nd, 2015 - 9:22pmIt’s been confirmed there’s a full series next year
Jordan Scott
November 22nd, 2015 - 8:44pmHaha! I’m very thankful indeed! 🙂
Anonymous
November 22nd, 2015 - 7:52pmSteven Moffat gets a hard time yet this string proves that people just don’t watch properly.
Doctor Stu
November 22nd, 2015 - 7:15pmIf you mean they used the diagon alley set they didn’t that’s safely tucked away in Warner Bros Studios
Anonymous
November 22nd, 2015 - 7:10pmMay not have been his Ood, may just have been doing his job. As for why the Cyberman was there, maybe he’s a friendly Cyberman, like Kroton or Cyber-Brig.
blipperey
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:42pmI Honestly cried my eyes out that it made the flood in ‘before the flood’ seem small!!!
sheepinafez
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:15pmor even a cyberman owning an Ood, surely they wouldnt be able to compute with that kind of slavery.
sheepinafez
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:14pmohhh thank you, that makes a bit more sence, although i do still find it odd that a cyberman could live on the street in peace with the other aliens.
Dalekparadigm2
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:13pmBut agreed on the Cyberman living in peace. Not sure if even they realise he’s a cyberman!!
Anonymous
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:13pmLol. Maybe it’s one of those “steven” things that he never bothers to explain.
Dalekparadigm2
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:12pmAh, no Ashildr said you can’t give a merciful death to a Cyberman (who may have killed someone this is hypothetical). The guy wasn’t a cyberman himself she was giving an example of the sorts of people on the street that may have to face the raven.
Anonymous
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:10pmI quite beg to differ, I think that was a really good 50 minutes. Okay I see how people might have been left feeling a bit bleugh from the huge alien convention anonymous setting, but I think it was okay if you overlooked that fact.
As of the death of Clara Oswald. No words. I knew for weeks that it was coming in episode 10 but this was just cruel. And I really don’t understand why it was so sudden. One minute they were like “yeah we’re gonna save the world, all we need is rigsy’s chronolock” and the next minute, bam, Clara’s dead on the street.
And I get the fact she was supposed to die but please, a bit more fight from The Doctor. It tore my heart open when he was beginning to run forward and decided against it, watching Clara’s motionless body on the ground. I’ve gotta say, even dead, she STILL looks to die for. No pun intended. So yeah. I just can’t do this. Her death was sad.
Essentially, Clara just got her innards pecked apart by a passive pigeon, but hey, what better way to go than that.
Peace out Clara and remember us, cuz we’ll remember you, for sure. I just hope you don’t end up with cyber Danny in cyber heaven cuz his face is meh but his personality is
It’s a shame you didn’t get to celebrate your birthday.
Dalekparadigm2
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:09pmThis bit about 6 eps is unconfirmed. Moffat wants 12. Capaldi said it MIGHT be less. And if you actually read the comments, you’ll know we aren’t ALL arguing. Its just the long blown ranters who are so content on wrecking everybody’s experience of the episodes.
sheepinafez
November 22nd, 2015 - 6:08pmto be honest im kind of confused how a cyberman is living with them in peace in the first place xD.