December 5th, 2015
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Now that the highly anticipated series 9 final has been aired what did you think? Was it everything you had hoped for or not what you expected.
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Anonymous
December 10th, 2015 - 6:05pmThat was kind of confusing to read but you have to remember the time lords weren’t at the very end of time. They were at the end of the universe but the doctor then had to travel forward in time to get to the very end of the universe. That end of the time was when everything (but me) was dead. The timelord hiding was probably when everything was starting to die and nothing was left in the universe. I couldn’t tell if you added the distance from gallifrey to the end of time too your equation.
Unearthly Child
December 10th, 2015 - 2:31pmI have sincerely loved the new reboot – that is until Peter Capaldi came along. I have watched Dr Who all of my life since William Hartnell’s time. Yes, Matt Smith was always going to be a very hard act to follow but Peter is neither convincing nor suitable for the role in my estimation. Plus, to be honest, both the writing and continuity have gone downhill fast this series. It reminds me a lot of the quality during the 1980s when appointing Peter Davidson was also a huge mistake and by the end of the decade the show had become a shadow of itself and was ultimately axed…
Please, please therefore don’t let Peter Capaldi be the last incarnation this time round just because perhaps the BBC is too shy to admit it has lost a lot of it’s sparkle! Act now and appoint someone with real charisma again and no, it does not have to be a woman nor of another ethnicity just to please the PC brigade!
A
December 9th, 2015 - 5:32pmWasn’t the “spoiler” just River’s way of making the Doctor work out that Clara had not died by stepping into the Doctor’s timestream so he could save her(Clara)?
Keeping the story straight is hard
December 9th, 2015 - 4:15pmDr who needs someone on the team to keep their stories straight. The dr in “utopia” episode finds the master hiding as professor Yana at the heat death of the universe.(basically the end of the universe/time) That episode stated the date was the year 100 trillion, and approximates our current view when the universe would die if “heat death”. (Great episode) Now “Hell Bent” is highly flawed when it suggests that the time lords are hiding at the edge of the end of time. The time frame suggested for the location of Gallifre is 4.5 billion yrs after our current time of 13.6 billion yrs. So 13.6b + 4.5b = 18.1b which is equal to the “utopia” episodes 100t!!! (Not even close) and if you wish to argue the starting point I picked of 13.6b because that date wasn’t explicitly stated in the episode “Hell bent”, the writer of “Hell bent” helps us define the further when one of the characters says “Clara has been dead for half the existence of the universe”. So again using that statement, the time of 4.5b years in the confession dial, the entire time Clara has been dead, double it to get the “whole” existence of the universe and you come out with 9 billion years. How the hell are suppose to take the story telling of this episode and fit it into dr who cannon when the writers can’t do math? 9billion does not equal 100 trillion and the universe has already existed longer than that right now. I know Moffet likes to mess with time lord conventions but the dates in this episode are clearly a typo and I am astounded no one caught it! Not even the viewers or commenters. This episode was intriguing, but the glaring time mistake within the reboots own time frame setup by the same authors puts this episode right in the trash.
Obsie
December 9th, 2015 - 8:42amComplete with some music from Sergio Leone films with Clint Eastwood too.
Jason [Doctor Who One] from Deviant Art
December 9th, 2015 - 7:17amBest not to think about it. The link obviously ended when the Doctor brought Clara out of his timestream.
Anonymous
December 9th, 2015 - 4:54amMe did mention that she mastered a lot of skills in an earlier episode, so maybe she managed to learn how to fly the TARDIS?
Dr P
December 9th, 2015 - 12:32amJust wondering how Clara and river are linked? Last time we saw river she said she had spoilers about her and Clara. Does Clara and me rescue river from the library?
Any ideas ???
Lord President
December 8th, 2015 - 10:37pmThe scene where the Doctor stands up from having his soup and faces off the gunship and (literally!) draws a line in the sand, gave me chills!! Absolutely superb! One of the most perfectly shot scenes in Doctor Who history! The gun-ship looked so real and Peter absolutely nails the clint Eastwood-esque Doctor! I have literally replayed that scene SOOO many times!
THE ERGON
December 8th, 2015 - 5:31pmLike somebody once mentioned, he may have been a rassilon but not ‘THE’ Rassilon. Its probably more of a common name and as he is a bit of a gallifreyan legend , people name their kids after him like people name their kids after celebrities on earth.
Tim M
December 8th, 2015 - 3:54pmIndeed. Moffat is letting the show come to an end. As it’s only a matter of time that the Doctor goes back in time to his earliest incarnation, before he left Gallifrey with Susan, and tells his former original self (Hartnell), not to bother going on any adventures, and stay on Gallifrey! Therefore, everything of the last 50 odd years never happened.
Jason [Doctor Who One] from Deviant Art
December 8th, 2015 - 3:20pmI agree, it’s time for Steven Moffat to go. His been in charge for half a decade now, and I think that’s long enough.
Interesting thou that Clara really seems dead important to Steven Moffat, and it may just be me, but I keep getting this thought in my mind telling me Steven Moffat fancied Jenna-Louise Coleman that he wanted to give her more screen time, even make her character seem at times more important the Doctor weather being played by Matt Smith or Peter Capaldi, but that’s just me.
No doubt you recall in ‘The End of Time’ that it seems Rassilon was brought out of the Dark Tower [thou unseen] in order to lead his people during the end of the Time War.
And yes, a lot of us don’t understand how Clara is able to operate that new Tardis, especially since it’s controls are different to the ones in the Doctor’s Tardis. She seems to understand most of the controls in the Doctor’s Tardis, but with the console being identical to the 1963 original in the other one, surely should should not know what controls to use to fly that Tardis let alone land it.
Big D
December 8th, 2015 - 2:33pmOkay. Now I know Im well into my 60s now and maybe there are signs of dementia creeping in but as someone who has seen every episode of Doctor Who in its entire span, and who has been an avid collector of Who merchandise since it began etc etc, can someone please tell me, what on earth was that.
Whilst being far from the worst episode of (for better words) Nu Who, was it me, but that seemed to contradict alot of what had gone before. Where did it fit with The Five Doctors that delved into the legend of Rassilon? There were also so many plot holes and contradictions, which others have put far better than I could on here, that I wont go into them. He cant help himself can he. Old Moffat. Clara again? This time flying a TARDIS!? Time to go old chap.
Also hes certainly preparing the ground for a black Doctor / female Doctor / black female Doctor etc. Now I dont actually have any problems with this, as long as the casting is right (Michelle Gomez was terrific casting though not given enough screen time with the Doctor) and not rushed for pcs sake. Though I am a little disappointed that they felt the need to make the Time Lords hermaphrodite in the first place.
Obsie
December 8th, 2015 - 12:43pmBest way to think of it remember it is to think of the 3rd Doctor’s exile on Earth. He knows he’s a Time Lord and everything that goes with it. He simply has a block on his memory on how to fix the TARDIS properly.
Obsie
December 8th, 2015 - 12:23pmYes it is all a bit confusing about the manual, we can only surmise that for some reason that particular TARDIS is translating the language, even so River did say at one poing in “A Good Man Goes to War” about the the Doctor’s crib that it doesn’t translate (though I think I’ve got muddled with that somewhere). However, it doesn’t alter the fact of how “Me” got to Gallifrey or understand how to operate a TARDIS when we have been told that it usually takes six peoples to pilot one. I think it should be explained somewhat to clear things up.
Obsie
December 8th, 2015 - 10:09amI suppose there’s only so much you can do in 65 minutes. However, stories such as The War Games, The Deadly Assassin, The Five Doctors, The Trial of a Time Lord and those inbetween kind of give us a good insight to their duplicitous, self indulgent and sterile character. Basically they are not as benign as they like to think and take the “Lords” part of their title quite literally, having the Doctor do their bidding at various point in his life are a sure sign of a dominant species despite their somewhat proud boast in Genesis of the Daleks : “We pride ourselves we seldom interfere with the affairs of others”. You can assume from that grand statement that they are only too willing to do so if they choose to and if it becomes a threat to themselves.
Jason [Doctor Who One] from Deviant Art
December 8th, 2015 - 9:00amJust enjoyed watching the very honest review about Hell Bent from Who Addicts Reviews boys James Wilson and Matthew Rowney over on YouTube.
James gave the episode 2 / 10, while Matthew just 4 / 10. I recommend watching it, even if you don’t mind sitting on your butt at your computer for an hour 🙂
Anonymous
December 8th, 2015 - 8:03am@CardiffRa: If you look at a lot of the Gallifrey based stories from the classic series, the time lords do come across as a bit beige and banal. The “running joke” about the time lords was that they were a supposedly mighty and powerful race that had been around for millions of years that just sat around on those comfy sofas that used to adorn the corridors of the Capitol in the 1980s and do very little.
But..given their post time war position…you would expect a little more bite in Hell Bent..!
Susan
December 8th, 2015 - 5:03amI wish that there would have been more character development of the time lords, so we could really understand his past to explain his anger in the present?…also develop the council’s character so we can relate to their point of view as well. They can’t be all bad right?
Anonymous
December 8th, 2015 - 1:24amIt is not a children’s show. It has not been a children’s show since the late sixties. Doctor Who is not solely made for children, and if you have entire seasons/series with episodes like “Fear Her”, you are going to lose a lot more members of the audience. Intellectual episodes are what make Doctor Who popular and worth wacthing, and treat everyone (young and old) like they have a brain. See: “The Girl in the Fireplace”, “Blink”, “Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead”, “Midnight”, “Turn Left”, “The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang”, “The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon”, “The Day of the Doctor”, “Listen”, “Time Heist”, “Dark Water/Death in Heaven”, and virtually all of series 9 (except for “The Girl who Died” and “The Woman Who Lived”). Yes, I am a Moffat fan.
mick181
December 8th, 2015 - 1:05amI would like to see a companion who is a human but from the far future and not from Earth.
mick181
December 8th, 2015 - 1:02amThe Doctor remembers all their adventures, but he just doesn’t remember what clara looks like it’s as if she wasn’t there.
mick181
December 8th, 2015 - 12:59amIt was the General who regenerated not Rassilon, who was off the planet by that stage
The Moffat Paradox
December 8th, 2015 - 12:58amThere’s something that’s been niggling me about the Doctor banishing Rassilon and blaming him for the Time War.
Whatever transgressions Rassilon may have committed and been capable of as in TEOT (which may or may not have been erased by events in DOTD) in the course of which then caused the War Doctor to originally use The Moment, Rassilon and the Time Lords didn’t start the Time War’; didn’t the Daleks do that ?
Although it could be argued that when the Daleks first learned exactly what the Doctor was and how he had been used by the Time Lords against them to affect their development and thwart their plans that could be seen as the Time Lords firing the first shot(s) despite being officially neutral in the affairs of the universe.
The Daleks were inevitably going to be particularly peeved about that regardless of other considerations and go for Gallifrey itself; especially if being victorious would also make them potentially masters of time if they could unlock the key elements of Gallifreyan technology.
In Genesis Of The Daleks the Time Lords felt they had to intervene or the Daleks could otherwise achieve their objectives and the Daleks from their encounters with the Doctor were always going to conclude that the biggest obstacle to their realisation was the Time Lords.
So war as in OPEN warfare was surely inevitable.
(Surely a massively, massively stupid thing for the Doctor to even tell Davros in the Magicians Apprentice Gallifrey has been “saved”?)
Rassilon if he had succeeded and the War Doctor originally in using The Moment may have caused the Time War to end badly for the universe/ Gallifrey before events in DOTD changed everything but as far as open warfare was concerned did the Time Lords (any Time Lords) really start it?
And even if they did for the sake of the universe wasn’t it a war that had to be fought even if it got out of hand?
Anonymous
December 8th, 2015 - 12:35amNo he said himself he remembers that a ‘clara ‘ person existed, just none of the specific details ie. Looks
Peking Homunculus
December 7th, 2015 - 11:15pmAlso, personally it would be safer to execute Rassilon. He’s a tyrannical bigot with a penchant for amorality
mick181
December 7th, 2015 - 10:40pmActuaĺly the war general is normally a woman, only in his last renegeneration was he male, she said so straight after the regeneration, saying how do you handlle all that ego
mick181
December 7th, 2015 - 10:34pmI don’t think their is anything wrong with the chameleon circuits just the girls haven’t worked out how it works, and the Doctor would not have been able to show Clara how it works on his Tardis.
Boodleoo
December 7th, 2015 - 10:31pmMissy could not escape the vortex manipulator had burn out, however I theorise a team up between Dalek and Master.
Boodleoo
December 7th, 2015 - 10:29pmRassilons not a woman but I do agree about the flying TARDIS bit. I get how Clara may have a slight inkling but why can Me read Gallifreyan maybe the Myra technology does it.