Doctor Who News
July 23rd, 2017
Best line ever at 0:31 – 0:33
How many characters is that for Mark Gattisin Nu-Who, three?
Four, Danny boy in victory of the Daleks and a good man goes to war, professor Lazarus, Gantok and now this new character
There’s something about the First Doctor that doesn’t ring true…
…his ring is on the wrong finger!
Just noticed that myself and was going to comment about it! Damn, how could they not notice a mistake like that? Same goes for the cravat which should be navy blue not black!
To be fair, as it was originally black and white, the colour of his cravat is “up to interetation”
The Drums The Never Ending Drum Beat
First of all to anonymous that is no excuse I can clearly see from the images that I’ve looked at that it is on his middle finger not the ring finger and secondly AAAAAAAAARGH INACCURACY I’VE BEEN TRIGGERED (LOL)
I’d have loved the Christmas special trailer to be released during the children in need show like it used to be when Doctor Who was an exclusively British program because it was always only a month to wait for the episode. I can’t handle this long slog to the episode I’m too excited
Doctor who has never been exclusively British FYI (maybe the first series was but that was later aired in multiple different countries)
Russel T Davies’ who was for a British audience mainly it was only when series six aired that it became more focused on trying to break America and it’s been like that ever since
I just want to point out that in regards to nu Who, series 1-4 was co-produced by the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation).
You can see footage of the first doctor’s regeneration in the tenth planet or the power of the Daleks. Some is animated or surviving.
In a An Adventure in Space and Time – Ellie Spicer play Anneke Wills, who portrayed Polly.
The 1st doctor in the trailor jumps and runs which he shouldn’t be able to do because hes ill at this point which doesn’t make sense
Dalek Eye Stalk
Moffat rewriting established continuity and putting his own stamp on it. The clip even shows the first Doctors hand with a regenerative yellow/orange glow. That was NEVER how classic series regenerations developed! But Moffat can’t help himself.
To be honest, Hartnell’s regeneration is the only classic one that could be interpreted as being the golden glow one; if you put the golden glow into black-and-white (with a close up on the Doctor’s face) it would look pretty much exactly like Hartnell’s regeneration.
Besides, for the ‘casual viewer’ (after all, this is the target audience here) it’s better to use something they are familiar with.
Well we don’t actually ever see the change in colour so maybe it was golden… (yes I know when it was made it wasn’t gold but small changes like that where it fits in and creates more continuity can be good)
Who’s to say when the first doctor regenerated in The Tenth Planet he didn’t glow orange? We see his face glow and it appears white only due to the fact that it’s in black and white
I think in the original they did say he was growing
well that was in black and white so who knows the colours
there was alot hartnell coudnt do
1st doctor + 12th doctor – 13th doctor = Bill Potts
Now chibnall and Moffatt have surely had a chat as to where to leave Clara and Bill in the big story, I really want this special to have an end for both characters where Bill is allowed to die properly and Clara goes off in her TARDIS to die even though I’m 90% sure Clara’s appearance is going to be similar to Amy’s in Time of the Doctor.
Yeah I’ve got a feeling Clara will just have a cameo like Amy, but as she is still alive in the Whoniverse it would be great if she returned properly for one last time.
Nah, they’re not going to actually die, this is a “kids” show that is all smiles and rainbows and not at all ever gritty and depressing…
Sometimes I wish Moffat would watch Doctor Who…
Even moffatt himself has said it’s a kids show which is not the case or wasn’t at all the case under RTD, Doctor who was for everyone SJA was for the kids and Torchwood was for the adults/teens. There’s no reason for moffatts ridiculous cop out endings. At least with RTD at the end of each series there was a sense of peril ‘what’s going to happen to the companion, will they die? Will they survive?’ With moffatt I’m actually begging that he kills someone off and keeps them dead which is naff character building if I’d rather the companion die than stay living
Apparently Steven Moffat has said there almost might not have been a Christmas Special this year. Due to Capaldi being out of contract, and Chibnall not wanting his first episode to be a Christmas one. If Capaldi had said no to the Christmas Special, then perhaps instead of having no Doctor Who at all, they could have brought back a past Doctor for a one-off adventure. Paul McGann would have been ideal.
Yeah, McGann Christmas special. Would have made a nice change to do an 8th Doctor story rather than another episode dedicated to Christmas. I can see the problems of doing an 8 story at Christmas though. The Joe public might not realise that they are seeing an adventure with a past Doctor, they could end up thinking that this Doctor they are seeing is 13, but its actually 8.
Well, what have been ideal would have been some sort of link between the 8th Dr and 12th or 13th. A back story that influences a future story. It could be seen as a hour long flashback or something.
They should release a big finish story as a live action episode once every couple of years as like a new year special or something I’d love to see some war doctor stories
The only problem with that is that sadly the great john hurt has passed away
My idea for just a general multi Doctor story would be a story where 13 or which ever future Doctor has to save 8 from villains who have travelled back in time to kill him (perhaps the silence?). The problem is, the future Doctor can’t interfere, so must manipulate things from behind the scenes and use their companion to directly interact with their past self.
I didn’t mean war doctor I meant 8th doctor I had a brain melt
That’s actually a really fascinating concept The Outcast, I would love to see that.
I think this year Christmas episode are different than other Christmas episode but it take part from Tenth Planet episode
……and then the regenderation will take place!
Just noticed regenderation. Quality. PMSL.
Perhaps they should provide us with two alternative endings. Ending 1) Regenerate into a woman. Ending 2) The Doctor is fatally wounded and cannot regenerate. That should keep both sets of fans happy. Continue the series with Whittaker, or end the series there.
Or leave the ending open, with 12 Regenerating but the titles roll before we see the conclusion. A short scene with 13 set soon after the regeneration, but not directly (with 13 in 12’s clothes) could air directly after the end of the credits, to allow those who wanted to see their first glimpse of 13’s character to get what they want as well.
Moffat best not rewrite ‘The Tenth Planet’ episode 4. It may be missing, but that would be no excuse to rewrite established events.
Moffat best re write ‘The Tenth Planet’ episode 4. It is be missing, which gives him every excuse to rewrite the established events.
I agree with OP, I don’t want the tenth planet part 4 redone. That being said, in black and white the Golden Regeneration energy actually looks like the white fade effect of the original Regeneration.
It would be irresponsible for him to rewrite it and make any dramatic changes seeing as somebody already wrote that episode, it may be lost but it still happened and changing the events in that story is just a big dump on the original writer. It’s like the deathly hallows book being lost and some random author just rewrites the ending and changes the story
Hes not rewriting history. Just working around the corners. Its just maybe adding extra scenes that will not affect that story. Its an add on, like all those scenes with clara in the name of the doctor. The point being you can do anything with time travel as long as it doesn,t alter the original concept i can,t see the problem. Rather like the fifth doctor just turning up with the tenth doctor in timecrash. I like the timey wimey and time can be rewritten idea as long as its done in a subtle way and not overused.
But the Clara stuff did edit the story of the Doctor’s escape from Gallifrey. He is meant to steal the TARDIS, not be pointed and baby walked by Clara into choosing what TARDIS he wanted to take. This is why I like to believe Name happened in another universe and that Time of the Doctor prevented it from happening when the Doctor didn’t die on Trensalore.
Moffat and his fanboy wish to trample on and rewrite or create his own history. Leave it alone! Retain the mystery! And keep the show going forward and original.
The tenth planet will always be the tenth planet. This is all speculation but if correct then these are just like tenth planet extras that weren,t seen on original transmission. Ican,t see the problem. I agree that sometimes steven moffat takes liberties with the shows history occasionally but if you can merge the two successfully for special occasions i dont see why not. There are a few instances, and not just from the current run where i,ve had to suspend disbelief and choose to believe in different timelines or alternate universes. It would just drive you crazy overthinking these things.
I just blank the Clara story out and pretend it never happened it was absolutely ridiculous, Moffat has written some good stuff but also some absolute tripe, why would you mess with the mythology, let’s hope Chibnall isn’t the same.
If your the complete fanboy and have that power over your most beloved programme it gives you carte blanche to play with the formula however you want. I,m sure in his heart of hearts (pardon the pun), he doesn,t intentionally disregard the fans but likes taking bold risks and hoping most of it sticks. Its like taking those two wires saying ” do i have the right?, Er yes i do thanks. I am the producer after all. this is my vision of who, i just hope you like it as much as i do. How would you do it differently? Me personally i do like these blasts from the past once every now and again but i agree that we should keep moving forward. Theres ample chance for a nostalgia fest when who reaches its 60th anniversary.
Mr Ergon, Ive been a fan since 1963 and i find it very hard to believe that moffat is a fan. An egotist yes. If you want to put your own stamp on dr.who fine , you’re in charge… But to mess and meddle and crowbar your vision into past important dr.who history… and what for??!! was Clara really worth it? All the rest of the Dr’s had the right idea in `name of the dr`s they just ignored her!… You’ll be telling me next it was `oh so poignant ` to have the dead brigadier as a cyberman saluting the dr!!! Why?.. If moffat is such a good writer why does he have to plunder the (working) dr.who past and mess it. Fanboy you call him…. Desperate and clumsy i say.
PS… As for saying does he have the right. NO… He has the responsibility… to put the program first. Its no coincidence that all the dr.who classic stories GAVE something to this marvellous program… they didn’t take. Mr. Moffat certainly is a taker from the classic original Who( and not in a good way). Mind you i suppose you could call him a taker of his own version… as he takes all the endings to stories and hides them , heaven knows where.!
Well said nygel Harriot, spot on with all your points.
I fully understand your grievances with steven Moffat and yes he has taken bloody liberties with the formula occasionally. The dead brigadier being a severe case in point. I was shocked that he could even do something like that as well as those silly Iron legion cybermen whyllst also borrowing heavily from the marvel camp.Its striking that balance of responsibility,pleasing the fans but trying to use doctor whos full history to do something original and with its past. The Programme itself has borrowed heavily from other sources, like classic literature in the past. I don,t advocate all that he does. I,ve always maintained he was a better writer for the show (Blink, Silence in the library’were /are modern Who classics (whatever you may make of that) than producer and yes wielding that power does create an ego and no doubt you will be glad to see the back of him but in his own words he has stated he has been a lifelong fan of the show and has tried to create a vision of his own. Its unfortunate he has alienated a lot of the fanbase with his at times overcomplicated ideas. I don,t mind if they have stepped into a classic story as a backdrop this time. It certainly won,t ditract from my viewings of ‘The Tenth Planet’.
I agree with you Mr Ergon, when moffat is NOT in charge (or reigned in) his stories are very good. The empty child two parter being indeed a classic… and of course Blink.
Isn’t it a shame that nowadays instead of , like you say ‘The Programme itself has borrowed heavily from other sources, like classic literature in the past’ … we get sounbites from Frozen :/
On another point…Do you think the bbc were so worried that they’d allowed an older dr (in Capaldi ) to take the helm that they had to keep forcing him to be ‘cool’… Ahh the old days when the Doctor just used to… talk, just talk… and come out with a witty one liner… but , wrapped up in… talk… now all the dr seems to manage is a ‘quip’ at every line!
If theres anything that irks me more especially on shows like doctor who its all this modern day referencing of popular culture or hammering home the modern day political climate. Terrance Dicks and Barry Letts had the right idea by using the political topics of the day and crafting good stories around them. The point of the doctor is that he isn,t ‘cool’ regardless which incarnation might think he/she is. The thing is, the doctor is supposed to be a hero for the underdog. Fighting for the weak, the bullied and the subdugated. Trying to make him cool for the popular masses goes against the grain of his character.Hes a pariah and misfit himself. Back to before, theres nothing dates a programme more than modern day references and it grates.( Happy slappy and ringtones).Makes me cringe.
PS- I wish i,d had the pleasure of watching all those lost stories in their entirety. I can see people of a certain generation only having that one off pleasure. There doesn,t appear to be much in the way of updates on finding them. Are all avenues exhausted i wonder?
Most of the dialogue is so bad, all the time a character is either trying to make a joke or say something clever or whimisical, the jokes never land because there’s never any subtlety we have to be hand held through the joke. And nobody speaks like a normal person would speak, that whole veil test thing with madam vastra and Victorian Clara being one example. At least with RTD you could invest yourself a bit more in the characters because they spoke and acted like real people. I can never get emotionally invested in a character anymore, back in the days when we’d be getting to the end of a series and I wouldn’t be ready for rose, Martha, Donna to leave because I’d grown to love them. Nowadays I’m thinking for gods sake please do the right thing and kill them off properly and don’t bring them back to life. Rant over for now
Oh Dr. Stu and Mr Ergon Yes yes and yes. I agree with you. In the classic Who if we had a two parter (or a one parter now a days) it was soooo rare because… well they didn’t work. How on earth can you get to know the characters and care for them… Crumbs … imagine Robots of Death as a (now a days) one parter. Or Stones of Blood or… well i could go on. The makers of Dr.Who now seem to want to make it trendy and hip… Do you think it’s because deep down they think it wont work just being DrWho? Otherwise why waste valubale air time on ‘cool’.
Another big problem with NuWho is all the Deus Ex Machinas. You know the Sonic Screwdriver? A joke item that could only unlock the occasional door, detonate the odd explosive and undo screws. Yeah, well that has become a micro computer which has the ability to send and receive transmissions, defend against Psychic attacks, cut rope, mend fence, summon the TARDIS, make a monster to return itself to it’s owner (I believe that happens in a comic), close rifts, scan the environment and even kill a Dalek. And that is just the sonic.
Remember the heart of the TARDIS? Yeah, that little red vial of space-time element? Well in NuWho that can grant someone god like powers, including the ability to destroy 1000000000s of Daleks and resurrect people. Why didn’t the Doctor just use the TARDIS to win the war? Why doesn’t he just look into the Heart of the TARDIS, vaporise the Daleks, Cybermen and resurrect all his dead friends? It only costs a Regeneration. And speaking of Regeneration, that can kill an army of Daleks too. Gee, I seriously wonder how the Timelords were indanger of ever losing to the Daleks in the first place.
Yeah, bit of a RANT, but I just hate Deus Ex Machinas.
Its a shame they brought back the sonic screwdriver as its just become the maguffin and easy get out of jail plot device for lazy writing. I like it best when the doctor uses his wits to defeat the enemy. And yes this over reliance of using regeneration energy to save the day is another irksome excuse as well. On that score russell t davies and Steven moffat have a lot to answer for. Give me a 1st doctor dismissive wave of the hand when pushed into a tight corner by Ian or steven, asking the questions the viewers want answers to or those answers to ‘its a neat little trick, i,ll tell you about it some day’.Saves explanation on the writers part.
it is technically available but in animation
Am I missing something?
Why do people think that Mark Gatiss’ character is someone special? Why do people think he is the Brigadier or a relative?
I am not saying there wrong I just don’t get why they think that.
I think it’s because he’s part of the trio on the main poster so people are assuming it’s someone really important, I just think he’s a random solider tbh
I don’t get it either. But it’s typical fandom, seeing patterns and thinking too deep about things. I think Mark Gatiss is simply playing a new character called ‘The Captain’. Simple.
Mark Gatiss is playing the Rani.
He said he is playing someone important in an interview and said it is ‘an honour’ to be playing him.
I still think hes going to be the brigadiers father…
The Captain might be the Doctor’s old mentor k’anpo Rimpoche..
How did you figure that out?
Well if this is to be the Doctor’s most traumatic regeneration yet…maybe he needs his old mentor again to help out and ease the process..
I cannot wait to see the christmas special to see the 1st and 12 th doctors meeting each other and to see how Bill comes back into the doctor’s life again.
I love this trailer! David Bradley does look great as the First Doctor. I hope we get a Big Finish series now.
Mark Gattis’ Captain looks an interesting charachter . I’m reckon he’s a Timelord from the Doctor and the Masters childhood!
If we have arrived in the middle of ‘The Tenth Planet’, I assume that the actress playing Polly is the same from the docudrama. And does that mean Ben appears? I rewatched it last night and Bradley’s last scene when he sees Matt (presumably the regeneration scene?), then her costume is different… And it seems like the same actress to me?
Makes sense to use the same Actress, gives it more credibility.
Love David Bradley, brilliant as Walder Frey in Game of Thrones, looking forward to this episode.
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