April 29th, 2017
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What did You Think of Series 10 Episode 3 Thin Ice ?
Now that the third episode of series 10 has been aired what did you think? Was it everything you had hoped for or not what you expected.
In Regency England, beneath the frozen Thames, something is stirring.
The Doctor and Bill arrive at the last of the great frost fairs, and find themselves investigating a string of impossible disappearances – people have been vanishing on the ice!
Bill is about to discover that the past is more like her world than she expected, and that not all monsters come from outer space…
The Doctor is played by Peter Capaldi, Bill by Pearl Mackie and Nardole by Matt Lucas.
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Peter Capaldi returns as Doctor Who for twelve thrilling adventures. He is joined by new companion, Bill (played by Pearl Mackie), along with returning loveable alien, Nardole (played by Matt Lucas).
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A
May 5th, 2017 - 8:20pmNot that I want to see even one regeneration but PC has chosen to go & I am gutted. Hopefully the story will be epic & the replacement will be, at least, watchable.
A
May 5th, 2017 - 7:57pmFor me, no to six two parters. The cliffhanger can feel very forced. Linked, like one, two & three of this series, is fine. As for the vault, I was also wondering about the Valeyard. In theory, this should have been Matt Smith’s Doctor & I wondered if this was why he was, to a certain extent, a childish personality. The 10th Doctor was heading towards the Valeyard & as the 11th was actually the 13th(aka the Valeyard) it made sense for whatever subconscious process the Doctor has to move away from this personality. But, Doctor 12’s regeneration will be to the 13th regeneration he himself accepts as the Doctor & maybe his oath is to keep the Valeyard locked up until a) the trial & b)the Valeyard’s regeneration into the 14th Doctor(the next one we see on the title credits). Maybe we have a double regeneration.
A
May 5th, 2017 - 7:14pmC. D. Langley. Racism is a very important issue, as are all forms of discrimination. I agree that sometimes it can be very hypocritical however. I remember a train journey in my youth when a young black man, stoned by his own admission, was loudly expressing his view that white people were afraid of black people because of the awful history of slavery. At the appropriate time, my father told my sister & I that the next stop was ours and this supposedly anti racist person immediately began to call my father Paddy…
I do not have a problem with the “political” message in this episode. It would have been stranger, especially with Bill’s enquiring mind, if it had not been addressed. Although… I would like to know one thing. Why does the past require a change of clothes but the future doesn’t?
Demdike@CultLabs
May 3rd, 2017 - 12:02amIt’s not the Sound of Drums knock so i doubt it will be the Master in the vault.
Anonymous
May 2nd, 2017 - 8:48pmShe didn’t specifically mention the master only that ‘he’ will knock four times and anyway the ‘he’ was wilf and so is a separate thing we were led to believe the four times would be about the master but it wasn’t. So really she didn’t have any visions of the master only Wilf.
The Living Shadow
May 2nd, 2017 - 8:39pmI’d forgotten about Herbert Clegg as it’s been a long time since I’ve seen Planey of the Spiders. At least in that case I believe we learn about how his abilities developing on him, and we see that his powers are flawed, not innate. All which the Doctor was very intrigued about, and even let us know (through telling the Brigadier) that the idea is not impossible, which added something to the universe in which Doctor Who takes place.
I’ve rewatched parts of Planet of the Dead (which perhaps I should have done before originally commenting), and that part still seems out of place to me. Carmen has low-key phsyic energy within her, which was enhanced by the three suns of San Helios. This doesn’t explain why she can see prophecies about the Master when she’s back on Earth at night. In my opinion, we just don’t seem to learn enough about her and her physic abilities and to me, it seemed like she was only physic so that certain plot points could be easier to get to, or tease future events, and not to actually add something interesting into the Doctor Who universe. It just seems like we’re meant to say: “well she’s physic so it must make sense” but I think we deserve more of an explanation for her abilities and how Carmen and these abilities integrate into the Doctor Who universe.
I’m not going to lie, I hardly remember anything about Hide, so I will have to give that a rewatch, but from what I remember Emma had a physic connection to Hila (no silly prophecies), which was because they were decendants and Hila had affected time, as she was a time traveller. This presents less problems as it gives reasons, as well as presents limits for these ‘phsyic’ abilities.
100,000BC
May 2nd, 2017 - 6:57pmThere have been many “Random” human psychics in Doctor Who, Herbert Clegg in Planet of the Spiders and Emma in Hide being two Who spring to my mind in the instant. Read the article in DWM 509 for more examples.
Carmen’s psychic powers in Planet of the Dead were a fairly major plot point in the episode, with her able to hear the dead people of San Helios who had been reduced to sand by the stingrays.
The Living Shadow
May 2nd, 2017 - 4:44pmYeah, I’m pretty sure it’s Simm in there.
The woman being physic was not part of the story one bit, and was objectively out of place in a story like ‘Planet of the Dead’, an episode with human characters from Earth. It was clearly something Russell T Davies threw onto the end of the episode. Please tell me how her being physic was in any way incorporated into the story… Who exactly was that woman? From a screenwriting perspective, surely we need to know more about her and her abilities, as I’m pretty sure there have never been any other random humans with psychic abilities in the Doctor Who Universe.
It’s never been established that other human characters form Earth have this ability, so it shouldn’t just seem normal to the Doctor, and the audience too (Us). Isn’t the Doctor curious about her powers? Right from the start, he’s always had quite a scientific viewpoint, and has always been curious about humans with otherworldly abilities. Or anything otherworldly appearing on Earth, for that matter.
For me that moment really breaks the fourth wall. It was so clear that the woman had only been given physic abilities so that she could give some exposition about a future event. You might as well have had Russell T Davies himself come onscreen and tell the Doctor “Oh yeah, the Master might be coming back..”, and then stare right at the camera and wink at us.
They could have so easily thought up an excuse like ‘she’s been possessed by the Ood’ for example, as at least then it’s already been established that the Ood are beings with physic powers, so it wouldn’t seem as out of place.
The Outcast
May 2nd, 2017 - 9:12amShe was psychic, thats how she knew. Its part of the story.
Tim M
May 1st, 2017 - 11:47pmThe fact we already know that John Simm is returning as the Master, it would seem absolutely pointless for him to be in the Vault. I mean, why make this the overriding story arc, and the main mystery of the series, and then it turns out to be John Simm’s Master inside. Makes a complete joke of the main story arc. Plus a waste of Moffat’s time creating it…if we already know in the end of the first episode trailer that it’s John Simm’s Master likely to be in the vault. Frankly, if it is I will be seriously disappointed and dismayed
The Living Shadow
May 1st, 2017 - 11:32pmWith the knocks from in the vault at the end…
If they’re still going with the Master “He Will Knock Four Times” thing, I hope we’ll finally get an explanation for why that woman at the end of ‘Planet of the Dead’ knew about that whole thing…
Doctor Stu
April 30th, 2017 - 10:55pmIt was being used as a subsitute for coal as it burns quicker and hotter. I’m assuming he’d just got a load of businesses on the go and he was using that substitute to produce a bigger output thus larger profits for himself
100,000BC
April 30th, 2017 - 10:55pmBeing used as an alternative to coal, to power machinery and things. Good thing the Doctor succeeded, “Monster poo brick Hill School” doesn’t quite have the same ring to it…
100,000BC
April 30th, 2017 - 10:46pmThere is actually quite a nice character arc in this for the Doctor.
In The Beast Below, the Doctor is prepared to kill a creature because he believes that letting it live may destroy a large population of human beings. His new, human companion Amy proves that he is wrong by setting the creature free herself and it turns out to be entirely benevolent.
Here, and in Kill The Moon, he is faced with a very similar decision, but now he lets his human companion decide, trusting that they will always be right and knowing that it is more of their right than his – before he believed that he had the right because he was older and wiser, but now he knows that he is no wiser in this matter, and as an outsider should not be given the final decision.
When The Doctor Was Me
April 30th, 2017 - 9:57pmEnjoyed this one! Love a past set episode anyway and this one was good.
I have to say this series is already better than 8/9 for me. However this is still just a good, not great series. But its good to see a fresh outlook on The 12th Doctor. Bill is brilliant though.
cyber
April 30th, 2017 - 9:28pmWho or whatever is behind those closed vault doors must truly be dangerous in the Whoniverse, as Nardole was speaking to it as though he was both frightened and angry at it attempting to escape.
The 4 knocks at the end indeed could be a red herring to through viewers off, and it may turn out not to be the Master (John Simm). And seeing as how Nardole is in The Eaters of Light, its just before the finale, the trio might travel from 2nd Century back to 2017 and find out that the prisoner has escaped.
To which we get a cliffhanger leading us into World Enough and Time as Missy, the Cybermenand the Master start their plans.
Just a little theory i thought of.
C. D. Langley
April 30th, 2017 - 6:02pmI am so tired of people belly aching about being black and all that happened to them. Have you all forgotten what happened to the American Indian? Or the Jews? I don’t hear a word about them and what they have gone through.
Honestly, I wish everyone would give the racism card a break!
C. D. Langley
April 30th, 2017 - 5:56pmCouldn’t agree more! Can’t wait for a new doctor & a new companion, so far this new season stinks, and this is coming from someone who has been watching since the sixties!
Exterminator
April 30th, 2017 - 4:16pmBetter than last weeks episode, did we find out what the monster poo fuel bricks were being used for? All we got was ‘there’re taken to the steel mill’, I’m wondering if the ‘mill’ is making cybermen and we’ll find out later?
I’m loving the relationship between 12 and Bill, it works so much better than 12 and Clara.
I’m guessing that Mondas is inside the vault, if it’s time lord technology than it’ll be bigger on the inside enough to lock away a whole planet.
the ergon
April 30th, 2017 - 3:27pmI prefer this more straightforward approach, they work better as standalones for viewers who don,t watch regulary. I would however much prefer six two parters for the cliffhangers.
Pats86
April 30th, 2017 - 2:39pmDoctor Stu, I agree people do need reminding of the awful history regarding racism and slavery. Things have improved somewhat but in the current climate it is coming back, not necessarily all a black issue but also ethnic groups. It’s a frightening world and if a show like Doctor Who can help anyone, young or old to see that it is wrong to be racist then I for one applaud it.
I am not black and I would live to see a black Doctor, Idris Elba would be my choice for Capaldi’s replacement.
Tim M
April 30th, 2017 - 1:52pmI much prefer this simpler ‘story arc’. What’s inside the Vault. Very much like series 1 and ‘Bad Wolf’. It doesn’t over complicate a series, and leaves stories to still stand on their own merits, whilst at the same time leaving a tantalising mystery in the background.
The ergon
April 30th, 2017 - 1:08pmI feel the bbc have a duty to cast more diversally but its done with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Maybe in 1812 bill would feel the need to Question the doctor about the colour of her skin, Martha did the same in the Shakespeare code but it made a mockery of this and seemed she had nothing to worry about as in just about every shot in the background, most of the locals were black anyway. Its a shame that black actors have to be cast like this as it just seems like cynical boxticking.
r1ch1e
April 30th, 2017 - 12:49pmSo you didn’t like the episode then?
I can’t stand petty racism so I loved that he punched him! Well done Doctor! Standing by his mate!
The ergon
April 30th, 2017 - 12:45pmMaybe the vault is an alternative to the big bbc live’ new doctor’ reveal which some people are already speculating. It would be different.